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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:33 pm
Of course it's a you-problem if you lack abstract thinking.
Heh. The turntables.
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
The only point here is that you can't use the program Python itself to make any big claim.
I can and I did.
Anything subject to choice is fair game in a moral subjectivist world-view.
Every "normative" you hold precious - it's mine now. Laws? What laws?
Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:38 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:33 pm
Of course it's a you-problem if you lack abstract thinking.
Heh. The turntables.
You've always been wrong about this so there never were any turned tables
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
The only point here is that you can't use the program Python itself to make any big claim.
I can and I did.
Anything subject to choice is fair game in a moral subjectivist world-view.
Every "normative" you hold precious - it's mine now. Laws? What laws?
Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
So you're making the point that subjectivism is subjectivism?
Please stop.. the world can't handle more such shattering..
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:38 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:33 pm
Of course it's a you-problem if you lack abstract thinking.
Heh. The turntables.
You've always been wrong about this so there never were any turned tables
Great!
Which means you are going to define "wrong" for us now, aren't you?
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
So you're making the point that subjectivism is subjectivism?
Please stop.. the world can't handle more such shattering..
Haven't you seen all the moral outrage from the "moral skeptics" ?
It's fucking priceless.
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:43 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:38 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
Heh. The turntables.
You've always been wrong about this so there never were any turned tables
Great!
Which means you are going to define "wrong" for us now, aren't you?
If you don't know what it means to be wrong about something..
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:44 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:43 pm
If you don't know what it means to be wrong about something..
When you define it - I'll now.
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:45 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:40 pm
So you're making the point that subjectivism is subjectivism?
Please stop.. the world can't handle more such shattering..
Haven't you seen all the moral outrage from the "moral skeptics" ?
It's fucking priceless.
Whatever you say. Moral objectivists and those who think that morals should be handled 100% freely are both kinda crazy.
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:46 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:44 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:43 pm
If you don't know what it means to be wrong about something..
When you define it - I'll now.
Well since apparently you don't talk to real people in the real world so you have no practice, you'll find it in the dictionary..
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:48 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:45 pm
Whatever you say. Moral objectivists and those who think that morals should be handled 100% freely are both kinda crazy.
Whatever, I am just making free choices...
Define this new rule. Undefine that old rule.
I don't see a reason to stop...
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:48 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:46 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:44 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:43 pm
If you don't know what it means to be wrong about something..
When you define it - I'll now.
Well since apparently you don't talk to real people in the real world so you have no practice, you'll find it in the dictionary..
That definition's circular.
I was hoping for somethign non-circular.
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:52 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:48 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:46 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:44 pm
When you define it - I'll now.
Well since apparently you don't talk to real people in the real world so you have no practice, you'll find it in the dictionary..
That definition's circular.
I was hoping for somethign non-circular.
Non-circular within a limited scope, or universally non-circular? If you are after the latter then that's your problem. Good luck
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:53 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:52 pm
Non-circular within a limited scope, or universally non-circular? If you are after the latter then that's your problem. Good luck
Non-circular within the limited scope of language.
I think even with the former you have a problem. Good luck
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:55 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:53 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:52 pm
Non-circular within a limited scope, or universally non-circular? If you are after the latter then that's your problem. Good luck
Non-circular within the limited scope of language.
I think even with the former you have a problem. Good luck
Okay good luck finding a language that doesn't run into a circularity problem.
I'll root for you.. from far away..