Alexiev wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:37 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:52 pm
Alexiev wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:31 pmAll rights are (and can be) nothing more or less than obligations on the part of other people.
Yeah, we, you and me, went around on this sometime back. We don't agree with each other. I prefer our friendly conversation about Lewis to a rehash guaranteed to leave us both with bad feelings.
Philosophy is not my favorite form of literature, but I was trying to return to the topic (I remember our discussion, but had forgotten it was with you). I looked at Lewis's "Abolition of Man". At the end of the essay, Lewis lists eight illustrations of natural law (the Tao) collected from a variety of cultures. They are:
1) The law of general beneficence. Example: Do unto others
2) The law if special beneficence. "Natural affection is a thing right..."
3) Duties to parents, elders and ancestors. "Honor thy father and mother"
4) Duties to children and posterity. "Great reverence is owed to the child."
5) The law of justice. "Choose loss rather than shameful gains."
6) The law of good faith and veracity. "The foundation of justice is good faith."
7) The law of mercy. "I have given bread to the hungry."
The law of magnanimity. " Death is better than life with shame."
Correctly, property rights are not included as a form of natural law, although "thou shalt not steal" is listed as an example of the law of justice.
And, OBVIOUSLY, 'judicial law', which is, obviously, just made up by a very few select human beings had NOT WORKED. And, the very reason for this is because a lot of it is in complete and utter contradiction with the One and only NATURAL LORE.
And, the words, 'thou shalt not steal', can also be in reference to 'it is far better that you adult human beings do not steal the very air and water that all following generations of living animals, including "yourselves" and "your children", ACTUALLY NEED in order to keep living and surviving here, on earth.
And, by 'steal' what is meant is, 'Do not pollute', the very air and water that is actually NEEDED.
Or, in other words, 'Do not steal 'that', which is ACTUALLY NEEDED, in Life'.
That some SELFISH and GREEDY human beings, along 'the, evolutionary', way', in Life, just chose and decided to claim, and keep, some things like parts of earth, as 'their own', and then made up 'rules' where human beings can actually be humiliated, punished, and/or killed for just 'touching stuff', is all completely and utterly IRRELEVANT to the NATURAL ORDER and to what is NATURALLY Right, and Wrong, in Life.
And, that some human beings like the one here known as "henry quirk" has been FOOLED, TRICKED, and DECEIVED into BELIEVING that 'stuff' is 'owned', individually, by some of or, by you human beings is another example of just how simply and easily you human beings can be DECEIVED, in Life.
Once upon a time you human beings lived WITH the earth, and everything else. That was until some 'entitled ones' of you human beings decided, 'I WANT 'this or that' for "myself" ', and, as well as being so 'entitled' 'that way' 'those ones' also decided that they be, literally, 'en-titled' with some made up and self-given words like "kings", "queens", "princes", or "princesses" who BELIEVED, absolutely, they they were 'entitled' to 'own things', like, for example, 'toothpicks' or even 'moldy pieces of bread'. And, because they were SO VERY DELUDED and VERY DELUSIONAL about some 'man-made up right' of 'ownership' and of being 'entitled' 'to things', some also BELIEVED, absolutely, that they could TAKE 'another's life', literally, and/or by punishment and capture, with no questions asked.
Alexiev wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:37 pm
I wanted to add my take on compatibilism, which I did in my last post.