Philosophy Now Forum

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:09 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:14 am That depends on...

...the specific libertarianism you're talkin' about...

lotta thinkin', not all of it good, falls under the umbrella

That's certainly true.

...and...

...how you define society.

one man's society is another's prison

Can be. Soviet Russia was certainly a gulag. And Cuba is, right now. And Venezuela. And North Korea.

Hey, what have all those places got in common? Oh yeah...Socialism.

BTW like Henry - am a Libertarian. so how do you square the circle, unless you just claim i am not a Liberarian?


I have no problem with Socialism (expansion of Middle class is result - which i welcome), as long as i have personal liberty (to shout on the corner all matters of filth - to be a racist dick i want to me - to aquit a man i know is guilty as juror, know the law he violated is utterly shitty and "no law at all".............etc (so i pay more in taxes to expand the middleclass - since tricklshit is bullshit - fine, i pay more taxes as my civic duty for the betterment of my nation.

BTW all goverments govern by the consent of the governed, when they no longer it is an inalienalbe right to revolt and overthrow it! (God bless the NH State Constitution for affirming this right).

Henry and I agree upon the nature of the Bill of Rights BTW - it restrains the right of rule of our Gov by affirming the rights of persons liberty outside the legit roles of gov rule.

9th amendment remains my fav. and the most neglected!

...................

yes Virginia, there are LIBERAL Libertarians (Me), as there are Conservative ones (Henry).

ponder that fact Sir.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:41 am
Breivik self indentifies with NAZI.
That is why I linked the article.

yep, so fair referral.

what a dick, and killed what? 78? adolescents.

ya he was smart to be able to do so. well planned ;-(.

again, what an asshole NAZI he is (i heard Norway only allows a max of 10 yrs) - if so, their legislatures need to get tough (I oppose Capital Punishment!!!!!! - not because i'm a bleeding heart Liberal (I'm a Liberal but not bleeding heart!) - I oppose Capital Punishment because Gov should not be God - to take life (only God has that right (I'm an Atheist BTW - lol - But a LIBERTARIAN and it ties into my philosphy of gov powers to not have the power of God - to kill).

so ammend the silly 10 yr Nordic laws, and lock the asshole up until he dies (life = life in jail until the dick dies) - then you can release the corpse for the relatives to have a respectable service.

lol.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:44 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:13 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Seriously? One loony in Norway? That's your idea of evidence that the Nazi Party is now "popular"?

Awesome. Your "logic" is more fun that a barrel o' monkeys.

He's no loony. He is a very articulate person.
And just the top of the iceberg in terms of a "germanic" revival.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tacks-plot

agreed, to assume he is a "loony" is to dismiss him.

he was/is a smart asshole.

just like Mohhamad Atta was/and hundreds of others on all political/religious sides.

just as there are dumbshits - like the shoebomber and terry nichols/etc..............

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:33 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:44 pm
Seriously? One loony in Norway? That's your idea of evidence that the Nazi Party is now "popular"?

Awesome. Your "logic" is more fun that a barrel o' monkeys.

He's no loony. He is a very articulate person.

Oh? And you think "articulate" and "loony" are mutually exclusive? You haven't lived long. And if there are still a few residual loonies left in Germany, does that actually surprise anybody? Nah.

To be "popular," it would have to have some much broader appeal in other countries, like the UK or the US, maybe...and to a substantial percentage of the population, not to one Brevik or a few leftovers in Germany.

what's your point? Sculptor is right here.

in fact since about 4 yrs ago here in America, Reichwing fundie seperatist Terrorists outnumber Islamic ones. 60/40. even AFter their "great white hope" Trump became their president! (so pleasing the losers - only jail them!)

in Europe is still more Islamics than Nazi killing folks for thier reasons - but it moving toward 50/50. maybe in another decade more anglo riechwinger nuts will be doing the killing over there than Turkish transplants to Germany do.

thems the facts Bubba.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:33 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am
He's no loony. He is a very articulate person.

Oh? And you think "articulate" and "loony" are mutually exclusive?

Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.

well said! and Amen!

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.

For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle.

translation:

I agreed with you, until you called me an idiot.

.................

lol, Sculptor is right and you know it. man up.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.

For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle.

"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?

oh, no need to play the spell game Sir, you are better than that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm
For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle.

"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?

"kind". My bad. Well, autocorrect's bad, probably.

he knew - as i did reading your post. you had no need to reply to such a petty post sir.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:42 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am

"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?

"kind". My bad. Well, autocorrect's bad, probably.

Don't blame it in auto-correct. "kind" is a perfectly good word, no reason to blame anyone but yourself. Pretty ironic since you were in the act of attacking me for what I was writing. LOL
My advice that you should get yourself a life is strengthened.

you lower your charcter in this post Sir. I'm Dyslexic and drunk when i show myself here - you and i usually agree on stuff - and you never instulted me via my spelling.

you can do better, please do so - i ask if you are ok with my ask (I hope you are BTW)

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:17 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:33 pm
Socialism inevitably always collapses into authoritarianism. That's what has happened in every single case where it was allowed to become the dominant political mode.

Norway, Finland, Sweden, France, Germany, Spain, Demark (17 more nations not typed out here).......are Dictatorships?

No. They're not Socialist.

All they have is a few Socialist elements, particular industries or sectors, but run their economies generally by Capitalism. For example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7wgS5tdz4 So much for Denmark.

You need to look to real Socialist economies -- those that will not allow Capitalism -- for real examples. Like, try North Korea or Venezuela, maybe. Or Albania during the Cold War.

There's a lot more on this, but I won't give it all to you unless you want me to shoot down every single case you mention...which I very easily can.

You laugh far too soon.

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am

"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?

"kind". My bad. Well, autocorrect's bad, probably.

he knew - as i did reading your post. you had no need to reply to such a petty post sir.

You're right. I find him so funny sometimes; but I shouldn't provoke him. Fair enough. Culpa mea.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:12 am

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:17 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:33 pm
Socialism inevitably always collapses into authoritarianism. That's what has happened in every single case where it was allowed to become the dominant political mode.

Norway, Finland, Sweden, France, Germany, Spain, Demark (17 more nations not typed out here).......are Dictatorships?

No. They're not Socialist.

All they have is a few Socialist elements, particular industries or sectors, but run their economies generally by Capitalism. For example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7wgS5tdz4 So much for Denmark.

You need to look to real Socialist economies -- those that will not allow Capitalism -- for real examples. Like, try North Korea or Venezuela, maybe. Or Albania during the Cold War.

There's a lot more on this, but I won't give it all to you unless you want me to shoot down every single case you mention...which I very easily can.

You laugh far too soon.

ok fine.

if Demark/etc is not Socialism, but Cube/etc is - then i do not support Socialism.

my point is i'm fine with Demarks/etc version of whatever you want to call it!

LOL

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:13 am

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm
"kind". My bad. Well, autocorrect's bad, probably.

he knew - as i did reading your post. you had no need to reply to such a petty post sir.

You're right. I find him so funny sometimes; but I shouldn't provoke him. Fair enough. Culpa mea.

question if i may. why do you find him "funny" - ive seen posts from both of you guys, and find both of you as reasoned persons with valid posts.

do you really disparage him? if so why? - again i personally do not find Sculpor a fool in any way nor no i laugh at his posts.

------is this because he differs in his views from you? - and only that? do you have a problem with agreeing to dissagree between folks of goodwill and sound mind in conversation.

honestly asking.

--i see him slaming you too - as i posted prior it does not elavate his character (but think it is just him being "in the moment and reacting" (as you do? too sometimes).

both you and he have been here longer than me, and both of you have good characters unworthy of the minority of posts you guys make every once in a while (as i do too often after more than 6 beers - lol LOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:34 am ok fine.

if Demark/etc is not Socialism, but Cube/etc is - then i do not support Socialism.

Yeah, Cuba certainly is. And it's in one heck of a disaster right now, economically. They even have a shortage of everything, including even gas. (They were shored up by places like Russia and Venezuela in times past, but now those economies have fallen into ruin, and can't keep babysitting Cuba anymore, so the economy's going down a hole). And they have zero access to ventilators, and COVID is there. It's not good...not good at all. Be very glad you don't live in Cuba right now.

my point is i'm fine with Demarks/etc version of whatever you want to call it!

I want to call it "Capitalism," with minor Socialized elements. Like the other countries you listed. What we've found out about Socialism, in the 20th Century, is that it's invariably authoritarian, murderous, and financially ruinous to every country where it is implemented.

BTW Hows the weather in Toronto?

it was 95F here yesterday - thats 37?C for you Canucks.