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No you've claimed that but Mao, Marx, Hitler, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mohammed, et al show this is not necessarily the case or at least that humans have enough brain plasticity to accommodate many levels to an identity.Seleucus wrote:Haven't we spent about four weeks discussing how culture is highly resistant to change, therefore "just changing" is probably not so easily affected...
No, not opposition but differentiation. In wartime and when racism is salient we view the enemy as more extremely different and this extreme is how a man can manage actually to do horrible violence against another. The other, the enemy, is dehumanised.all identity is formed in opposition to an other.
There are many causes to my suffering, blacks are only one of them. I acknowledge and agree that some Whites are also responsible for some of my suffering as well. My only argument is, black communities tend to be extremely toxic, and when I see a crowd of blacks walking down the street they are usually loud obnoxious and hostile towards me. Occasionally I see white groups walking down the street as toxic as them, but not very often.Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:44 pm Seleucus wrote:
No, not opposition but differentiation. In wartime and when racism is salient we view the enemy as more extremely different and this extreme is how a man can manage actually to do horrible violence against another. The other, the enemy, is dehumanised.all identity is formed in opposition to an other.
Men can be panicked by clever agitators into believing that some outgroup is the cause of their actual suffering; this is a form of propaganda.
They did not. It might not be that surprising as many things, like writing, were also only invented once or twice in all of history. So far as it's actually meaningful to say such a thing, the pre-cultural IQ of the human race is essentially zero, about the same as a cat or a pony, who also have never invented the wheel.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:39 pmI'm still trying to figure out if Subsaharans invented the wheel. I really don't think they did, or else liberals would have made the information easier to find.Seleucus wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:57 pmI suppose Blacks were pretty much the worst hunters given that humans hunted the megafauna to extinction on pretty much every continent except Africa.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:51 pm I would say, blacks obsession with shoes is embedded in their DNA. They love Air jordans and Nikes because those are the male hunting techniques. Black africans main hunting technique is, outrunning their prey on foot, for several miles.
And just like I said last time, Chinese are still Chinese just like they have been for three-thousand years, and Islam or no Islam, Semitic culture is still Semitic culture just like it was in the time of Canaanites or of Carthage... The more I think about Spengler's conception of culture the more right I think is was. That is, a culture exists once, it is essentially impenetrable and unchangeable, it eventually declines, and finally vanishes never to be repeated.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:03 pmNo you've claimed that but Mao, Marx, Hitler, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mohammed, et al show this is not necessarily the case or at least that humans have enough brain plasticity to accommodate many levels to an identity.Seleucus wrote:Haven't we spent about four weeks discussing how culture is highly resistant to change, therefore "just changing" is probably not so easily affected...
Sometimes one group is the cause of much suffering for another, like the Islamic occupation of Eastern Europe or the Iberian peninsula. That perception isn't a matter of "agitators" and "propaganda", those were invasions by foreigners and oppressive occupations.Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:44 pm Seleucus wrote:
No, not opposition but differentiation. In wartime and when racism is salient we view the enemy as more extremely different and this extreme is how a man can manage actually to do horrible violence against another. The other, the enemy, is dehumanised.all identity is formed in opposition to an other.
Men can be panicked by clever agitators into believing that some outgroup is the cause of their actual suffering; this is a form of propaganda.
"Dehumanised" is not the right word to describe the attitude of long-ago Islamic empire builders. I regret that I don't even know if 'empire builders' truly fits what they did. "Dehumanised" fits what soldiers in training aimed for when they bayoneted a sack with a foreign looking face painted on it. Or what Nazi propaganda did when Goebbels published posters with drawings of ugly 'Jews' when that dehumanisation bred violence and there was Krystallnacht to follow.Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:02 amSometimes one group is the cause of much suffering for another, like the Islamic occupation of Eastern Europe or the Iberian peninsula. That perception isn't a matter of "agitators" and "propaganda", those were invasions by foreigners and oppressive occupations.Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:44 pm Seleucus wrote:
No, not opposition but differentiation. In wartime and when racism is salient we view the enemy as more extremely different and this extreme is how a man can manage actually to do horrible violence against another. The other, the enemy, is dehumanised.all identity is formed in opposition to an other.
Men can be panicked by clever agitators into believing that some outgroup is the cause of their actual suffering; this is a form of propaganda.
I hate to quote all that for a one liner reply, but it sounds like we don't really disagree then.Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:09 am"Dehumanised" is not the right word to describe the attitude of long-ago Islamic empire builders. I regret that I don't even know if 'empire builders' truly fits what they did. "Dehumanised" fits what soldiers in training aimed for when they bayoneted a sack with a foreign looking face painted on it. Or what Nazi propaganda did when Goebbels published posters with drawings of ugly 'Jews' when that dehumanisation bred violence and there was Krystallnacht to follow.Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:02 amSometimes one group is the cause of much suffering for another, like the Islamic occupation of Eastern Europe or the Iberian peninsula. That perception isn't a matter of "agitators" and "propaganda", those were invasions by foreigners and oppressive occupations.Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:44 pm Seleucus wrote:
No, not opposition but differentiation. In wartime and when racism is salient we view the enemy as more extremely different and this extreme is how a man can manage actually to do horrible violence against another. The other, the enemy, is dehumanised.
Men can be panicked by clever agitators into believing that some outgroup is the cause of their actual suffering; this is a form of propaganda.
Islamic violence does tend even today to be infused with religious zeal. Your objection should be filed under "Authority and Factionalism" or "Religions and Gang Mentality".
I said that Goebbels's deliberate dehumanisation of Jews bred public hostility to Jews. When modern White Supremacists dehumanise black people or Muslims and so on the White Supremacists fail to point out that black people are human to the same extent as white people are human.
In the case of Islam the religion: while Islam has some aspects that appeal to me I'd relegate it together with all other religions, especially the militaristic religions, to that part of the human past where we relegate rituals of animal or human sacrifice. Muslims are human beings:Islam is an institution.
Personal testimony is very acceptable. Trixie wrote about her own feelings and her interpretation and did not quote some political agitator.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:35 pmThere are many causes to my suffering, blacks are only one of them. I acknowledge and agree that some Whites are also responsible for some of my suffering as well. My only argument is, black communities tend to be extremely toxic, and when I see a crowd of blacks walking down the street they are usually loud obnoxious and hostile towards me. Occasionally I see white groups walking down the street as toxic as them, but not very often.Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:44 pm Seleucus wrote:
No, not opposition but differentiation. In wartime and when racism is salient we view the enemy as more extremely different and this extreme is how a man can manage actually to do horrible violence against another. The other, the enemy, is dehumanised.all identity is formed in opposition to an other.
Men can be panicked by clever agitators into believing that some outgroup is the cause of their actual suffering; this is a form of propaganda.
I mean, lets say some subsaharans eventually traded with Northern Africans and got wheels. My question is, did subsaharans ever invent a wheel before it was handed-down to them by Northern Africans?Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:57 amThey did not. It might not be that surprising as many things, like writing, were also only invented once or twice in all of history. So far as it's actually meaningful to say such a thing, the pre-cultural IQ of the human race is essentially zero, about the same as a cat or a pony, who also have never invented the wheel.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:39 pmI'm still trying to figure out if Subsaharans invented the wheel. I really don't think they did, or else liberals would have made the information easier to find.
But they aren't are they and they pretty much weren't all 'Chinese' back then either, or do they all just look the same to you?Seleucus wrote:And just like I said last time, Chinese are still Chinese just like they have been for three-thousand years, ...
Except it really isn't as the Diaspora changed it a lot.and Islam or no Islam, Semitic culture is still Semitic culture just like it was in the time of Canaanites or of Carthage...
But he does agree with me that a race is not about ethnicity but idea and such a culture can still arise I think, hence Nietzsche.The more I think about Spengler's conception of culture the more right I think is was. That is, a culture exists once, it is essentially impenetrable and unchangeable, it eventually declines, and finally vanishes never to be repeated.
Race is about idea...right.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:41 amBut he does agree with me that a race is not about ethnicity but idea and such a culture can still arise I think, hence Nietzsche.The more I think about Spengler's conception of culture the more right I think is was. That is, a culture exists once, it is essentially impenetrable and unchangeable, it eventually declines, and finally vanishes never to be repeated.
Bring it up with Spengler.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Race is about idea...right. ...
Your problem is that you are a half-white Yank and can only think within your racialist box.So if a black guy embraces White culture, he is actually a white race, right?...And I'm the fruitcake.