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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:45 pm I refer to a sodomite, a masturbator, and a transvestite because it demonstrates a relationship to perversions-made-normal.

What possible benefit is there for you in trying to shame these people? If you had your way, they would all lose, but I can't work out what you would gain.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:45 pm I refer to a sodomite, a masturbator, and a transvestite because it demonstrates a relationship to perversions-made-normal.

So we have a person who puts his penis in the wrong hole when he has sex. A person who masturbates occasionally and a person who dresses in the wrong clothing. the concern is that unless such people are put in their place through verbal sanction, then those behaviors will become normalized and more people would engage in said behaviors.

Maybe that's a topic worth openly discussing. Let's bring it out into the open and discuss it.

Some ways of framing the discussion:

1) If people do not feel shame over such behavior, then they will engage in those behaviors openly in public.

and/or

2) If people model such behavior in public, then more children will be led into behaving in those ways. In a sense, we are "corrupting the youth".

Do you agree with the way I have framed statements 1) and 2)? And if not, how would you frame them?

Whatever ideas are present in Platonism or Christianity transcend either. And that is why the term ‘metaphysical’ has relevancy.

Whether I am a pissant (::: :::) or a tower of stupendous reasoning is completely irrelevant to the issue of value that is what is really at stake.

Both Platonism and Christianity take •the soul• and its condition and status into consideration. And it is my view that this is good, necessary and correct.

Ideas, and actions, have consequences.

The use of sexuality, and its abuse, can be thought about in that context.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:36 pm What possible benefit is there for you in trying to shame these people?

It’s fun?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:54 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:36 pm What possible benefit is there for you in trying to shame these people?

It’s fun?

Fair answer. We all do things that are fun when we have an opportunity. So it's not so much that I should feel shame for masturbating as it is that you should have fun calling me a "masturbator". So I should not feel offense for being called a "masturbator". Is that correct? Or do you find that my feeling shame is instrumental in the fun?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:46 pm So we have a person who puts his penis in the wrong hole when he has sex. A person who masturbates occasionally and a person who dresses in the wrong clothing. The concern is that unless such people are put in their place through verbal sanction, then those behaviors will become normalized and more people would engage in said behaviors.

No that is not the real issue. The real issue revolves around the transvaluation of values driven by trends in hyper-liberalism. A rebellious movement that employs sexuality and its perversion for purposes of political manipulation. That is one of the main points.

There is a wider conversation and it revolves around sexual ethics.

The three of you — and whatever kinkiness you are into — only reveal a manifestation of what is going on widely.

Thank God you live far apart ….

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:05 pm …

Is cruelly & sadistically making fun of people and their sex-perversity wrong in your view, Gary?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:08 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:05 pm …

Is cruelly & sadistically making fun of people and their sex-perversity wrong in your view, Gary?

Cruelty and sadism seem wrong to me.

Complete the following joke:

A sodomite, a masturbator and a transvestite walk into a bar.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:00 pm Complete the following joke:

A sodomite, a masturbator and a transvestite walk into a bar.

The bartender says, "Which one of you is named 'Gary'". The other two point to me.

Then the bartender says, "So you're the wanker?"

I respond, "No. I'm a foolosopher."

the bartender pauses for a moment and says, "Drinks for everyone, on the house!"

The other two turn to me and say, "What happened?"

I reply: "I don't know but I think I like this new bar we found."

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:54 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:36 pm What possible benefit is there for you in trying to shame these people?

It’s fun?

It might be even more fun if you picked on those who actually deserved shaming and condemnation. May I suggest you take a shot at the perverted attitudes of someone like that toxic little specimen, Wizzard? Not only would it be fun, but there would also be the potential of achieving something worthwhile.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:54 pm And it is my view that this is good, necessary and correct.

Mere opinion, worth nothing.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:00 pm Complete the following joke:

A sodomite, a masturbator and a transvestite walk into a bar.

The bartended looks at the pederast and says "For you a Bloody Billy".

To the master-baiter he says "For you a Toasted Fisherman.

He's baffled looking at the Drag Queen but grabs his Mixed Drinks for Modernity: The Politically Correct Guide for the Inclusibe Bartender and mixes it a Dirty Shirley . . .

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:12 pm May I suggest you take a shot at the perverted attitudes of someone like that toxic little specimen, Wizzard?

What I will say is that Wizard is working with ideas, polemical ideas surely, but they are substantial ideas that have bearing on our present.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:18 pm

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:00 pm Complete the following joke:

A sodomite, a masturbator and a transvestite walk into a bar.

The bartended looks at the pederast and says "For you a Bloody Billy".

To the master-baiter he says "For you a Toasted Fisherman.

He's baffled looking at the Drag Queen but grabs his Mixed Drinks for Modernity: The Politically Correct Guide for the Inclusibe Bartender and mixes it a Dirty Shirley . . .

Oh, so now we have a 4th character a pederast. Is there anyone in particular that you would like to assign as the pederast?