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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:36 pm
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:23 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:09 am And all Israel has to do is stop retaliating.
That will not stop attacks against Israel, and stopping those attacks is the objective.
Retaliating obviously hasn't solved the problem either! How long does it take for that to sink in?
Going by 'you', adult human beings, past behavior, NEVER.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:36 pm Innocent people are being murdered because their respective enemies of some of their associates want revenge on each other. Fucking ditch all the terrorists, those on both sides of the trenches.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:39 pm Either that, or build a fucking arena for Hamas and the IDF to fight each other in gladiator events.
This may be the 'smartest thing' suggested here in this thread.

But better still maybe get the so-called "leaders" and/or "politicians/instigators" on "both sides" TRAPPED in some sort of arena to fight 'it' out among "themselves" ONLY.

Also, I WONDER if 'they' would EVER GET TO FINDING OUT what, EXACTLY, 'it' IS, which 'they' are fighting about, BEFORE 'they' KILLED "each other"?
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Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:52 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:36 pm Retaliating obviously hasn't solved the problem either!
I think you'll agree, if you've been watching the news, that this time is different.
Yes, 'this time' "Israel soldiers" have KILLED FAR MORE children than they have in ALL of the OTHER times that 'they' have ATTACKED in the completely innocent citizens of "gazza".

BUT, 'the score' is about 'the same' as EVERY other time. That is; the number of DEATHS is UNFATHOMABLY DISPROPORTIONATE.

But PLEASE feel ABSOLUTELY FREE to continue to JUST LOOK AT, and SEE FROM, "one side" ONLY here.
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:52 pm
Gary wrote:How long does it take for that to sink in?
Save your insults if you don't want to be answered in kind, and from your recent comments, you don't want to be answered in kind.
I NEVER SAW absolutely ANY 'insult' ABSOLUTELY ANYWHERE in that VERY, JUST and OPEN, CLARIFYING QUESTION.

WHY would 'you' ALONE SEE an 'insult' in THAT QUESTION, "walker"?

BECAUSE, REALLY, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THE OBVIOUSLY Fact AND Truth that 'retaliation' will NEVER EVER SOLVE ANY 'thing' HERE.

OBVIOUSLY, for EVERY human being KILLED, there will be A 'relation' SOMEWHERE, and AT SOMETIME, who WILL HAVE a FEELING OF 'revenge' and 'retaliation'. But which might not COME OUT for years, decades, or even centuries, but which WILL want to COME OUT.

And, absolutely EVER time someone MISSES the MARK and does NOT, FULLY, UNDERSTAND this Fact and Truth, then 'that one' WILL think or BELIEVE that 'retaliation' IS A PERFECTLY NORMAL, APPROPRIATE, or ACCEPTABLE 'thing'. Which, ANY Truly SANE one would WONDER HOW LONG would it TAKE for THIS KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING TO 'sink in', and even HOW could 'this' NOT even HAVE 'sunk in', BY NOW?
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:20 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:04 pm
It's not an insult unless it applies to you.
Is that right?

How long does it take for you to recognize that the limitations of your capacity caused by your self-defeating self-concept are holding you back from feeling the truth slowly sink into your thick, stupid skull, Gary?
And 'these ones' were 'the ones' who were called 'the adults', BACK THEN.
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:20 pm And if that shoe doesn't fit, doesn't apply to you, then just disregard it, and have a happy day.

Do you get it now?

:wink:
I, for one, if ANY one is interested, am NOT getting 'it' here, nor now. Unless, OF COURSE, the 'it' word is referring to 'you' just WANTING TO 'retaliate' in the SAME WAY that 'you' BELIEVE/D was being done TO 'you'.
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Age wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:35 am
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:20 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:04 pm
It's not an insult unless it applies to you.
Is that right?

How long does it take for you to recognize that the limitations of your capacity caused by your self-defeating self-concept are holding you back from feeling the truth slowly sink into your thick, stupid skull, Gary?
And 'these ones' were 'the ones' who were called 'the adults', BACK THEN.
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:20 pm And if that shoe doesn't fit, doesn't apply to you, then just disregard it, and have a happy day.

Do you get it now?

:wink:
I, for one, if ANY one is interested, am NOT getting 'it' here, nor now. Unless, OF COURSE, the 'it' word is referring to 'you' just WANTING TO 'retaliate' in the SAME WAY that 'you' BELIEVE/D was being done TO 'you'.
Hello Age. That you think in terms of retaliation indicates that you need to find a higher perch on the mountainside, to see a broader horizon of objectivity.

- Gary said that an insult is an insult if it applies to the person hearing the insult.
- That is wrong.
- An insult is still an insult, even if the intended target doesn't hear it.

I couldn't very well illustrate this point with an insult directed at Gary that Gary couldn't hear, now could I. If I did that, he would know even less about what's going on than he does now.

So, I tossed out an easily identifiable insult, which you recognize as an insult, which anyone would recognize as an insult, and which would be an insult even if Gary didn't hear it.

In this way, I soundly refuted Gary's observation that an insult is an insult only if the shoe fits.

Age, here's some advice, take it or leave it. I've explained this as completely as you're going to hear from me, so please don't insult me and waste my time with a bunch of questions that you can now easily answer on your own ... and I only objectively say that because that is your M.O.
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am
Age wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:35 am
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:20 pm
Is that right?

How long does it take for you to recognize that the limitations of your capacity caused by your self-defeating self-concept are holding you back from feeling the truth slowly sink into your thick, stupid skull, Gary?
And 'these ones' were 'the ones' who were called 'the adults', BACK THEN.
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:20 pm And if that shoe doesn't fit, doesn't apply to you, then just disregard it, and have a happy day.

Do you get it now?

:wink:
I, for one, if ANY one is interested, am NOT getting 'it' here, nor now. Unless, OF COURSE, the 'it' word is referring to 'you' just WANTING TO 'retaliate' in the SAME WAY that 'you' BELIEVE/D was being done TO 'you'.
Hello Age. That you think in terms of retaliation indicates that you need to find a higher perch on the mountainside, to see a broader horizon of objectivity.
But I do NOT think in 'those' terms.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am - Gary said that an insult is an insult if it applies to the person hearing the insult.
Did "gary childress" SAY 'that'?

I thought "gary childress" SAID, and WROTE, 'It's not an insult unless it applies to you.', INSTEAD.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am - That is wrong.
Could 'that' be 'wrong' solely BECAUSE "gary childress", as far as I am aware, did NOT ACTUALLY SAY, NOR even MEAN, 'That an insult is an insult if it applies to the person hearing the insult'?

HOW I READ, and UNDERSTOOD, the ACTUAL WORDS that I SAW "gary childress" HAD WRITTEN, WAS, 'It is NOT an 'insult' UNLESS 'it' applies TO 'you'. And, did it ACTUALLY apply TO 'you', "walker"?
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am - An insult is still an insult, even if the intended target doesn't hear it.
Just like an 'elephant' IS STILL an 'elephant', even if the intended target did NOT hear it. BUT, SO WHAT?

JUST ASKING A VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING QUESTION like; 'How long does it take before it sinks in?', is NOT necessarily an 'insult' AT ALL.

If, however, there was an INTENTION OF 'insulting', BEHIND that VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING QUESTION, then, OBVIOUSLY, there is ONLY one person who KNOWS, FOR SURE. No matter what 'you' consider, perceived, concluded, think, NOR believe.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am I couldn't very well illustrate this point with an insult directed at Gary that Gary couldn't hear, now could I.
ONCE AGAIN, 'you' ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE to SO ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' of 'your' CHOOSING here.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am If I did that, he would know even less about what's going on than he does now.
SO, 'you' "logic" here IS, If 'you' INSULT "another human being", THEN the "other human being", somehow, comes to know less about what is going on, than 'that one' does now, right?
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am So, I tossed out an easily identifiable insult, which you recognize as an insult, which anyone would recognize as an insult, and which would be an insult even if Gary didn't hear it.

In this way, I soundly refuted Gary's observation that an insult is an insult only if the shoe fits.
HOW do 'you', supposedly, KNOW that 'this' IS "gary childress's" OBSERVATION? WHAT, EXACTLY, LED 'you' TO 'this CONCLUSION'?
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am Age, here's some advice, take it or leave it.
WHERE IS, supposedly and allegedly, some so-called 'advice' here, EXACTLY?
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 am I've explained this as completely as you're going to hear from me, so please don't insult me and waste my time with a bunch of questions that you can now easily figure on your own ... and I only objectively say that because that is your M.O.
What does 'M.' 'O.' stand for or mean, EXACTLY?
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Hi Age. Those are all good springboards for your personal contemplation, research, and self-enquiry that will reconcile those questions with your world view.
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Age wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:15 am
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:23 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:09 am And all Israel has to do is stop retaliating.
That will not stop attacks against Israel, and stopping those attacks is the objective.
BUT stopping the attacks against the citizens STUCK in "gazza" was the objective.
This is rather provocative. I can't answer for Schlichter, so what do you think other than questions?

Accept That Savagery Is the True Nature of the World – and Deal With It
By Kurt Schlichter
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtsch ... t-n2630502

Begin quote:

"If you want an indicator of how lost Western civilization has become, go to your kids’ school and check their rules on fighting. Most likely, you’ll find out if two kids get into a fight, both get suspended, regardless of whether one was a punk bully who started it and the other was simply defending himself or some little kid. This is a moral disaster, of course – violence in the defense of what is right is a moral obligation and a symbol of a greater rot within society. This is the kind of rule created by middle-aged, divorced cat women who can neither find nor satisfy a man and live in a tranquil bubble of affluent, frivolous safety and security created by their harder, worthier forbearers who understood the world's true nature.

"The true nature of the world is savagery.

"The world's true nature is that good is forever pitted against evil.

"That has never changed. What happened over the last 70 years or so was an interregnum of peace in the West, created by violence against barbarians and facilitated by people willfully looking away from the butchery still continuing at the fringes of the map. The West managed to build a civilization that was – for the first time in history since perhaps the Pax Romana – generally internally peaceful. And the West convinced itself that this was normal.

"But it was not normal. It was an anomaly, a glorious one, but an anomaly nonetheless. The world is not a peaceful place, and it never was, and it never will be. Despite the best efforts of the arrogant left, human nature has not changed. Human nature is vicious and cruel. Rousseau’s noble savage nonsense, which we are still dealing with today in the form of eager sophomores in Che t-shirts slobbering over Hamas psychopaths – is a giant fraud. Savages are not distinguished by their nobility. Their savagery distinguishes them. And we need to find the moral strength to do what is necessary to defeat them.

"We must learn again to kill. We must learn again to destroy. We must learn again to be ruthless in defeating our enemies. The big lie that Western civilization tells itself is that there are no real enemies, that there are no bad people – except the people of the West themselves, who bear some sort of original sin for not being corrupt and inept Third World barbarians.

"We do have enemies, as we have seen. We do have enemies, as they tell us. When they talk about decolonization, they are talking about de-you-ization. When they talk about killing settlers, you need to understand that you are a settler, and they mean killing you. They mean raping your daughter in front of you. They mean chopping your baby’s head off. They mean slaughtering your wife or husband, sons and daughters, and even your dog. And they mean enjoying it, reveling in the ecstatic glee of mass murder, and being so proud of it that they call home to their daddies and brag about it, or put up their body cam videos on TikTok.

"The world was always a savage place. What happened on October 7 was not an anomaly. It was normality. What do you think happened to sacked cities in the past, which is what these Gaza-adjacent towns in Southern Israel essentially were? The attackers captured their objective, burned and razed the buildings, stole everything they could carry, raped anyone without a penis and some with, and piled corpses in the streets. We’re stunned simply because we forgot what a sack is, but for most of human history, people lived in terror of it happening to them, hoping for the chance to inflict one upon their neighbors.

"We in the West, of which Israel is a part and thereby is hated, forgot about this. Worse, we have forgotten our strength and our courage. We have forgotten that we survive not through gentle hugging but through sword-swinging. For example, we have forgotten how to conduct a siege. The idea that Israel should somehow give these Hamas barbarians food, water, and electrical power even if it surrounds Gaza and prepares to attack is mind-boggling insanity. The moral illiteracy of expecting Israel to care more about the Palestinian people than other Palestinians do is simply bizarre.

"We do have enemies, as we have seen. We do have enemies, as they tell us. When they talk about decolonization, they are talking about de-you-ization. When they talk about killing settlers, you need to understand that you are a settler, and they mean killing you. They mean raping your daughter in front of you. They mean chopping your baby’s head off. They mean slaughtering your wife or husband, sons and daughters, and even your dog. And they mean enjoying it, reveling in the ecstatic glee of mass murder, and being so proud of it that they call home to their daddies and brag about it, or put up their body cam videos on TikTok.

"The world was always a savage place. What happened on October 7 was not an anomaly. It was normality. What do you think happened to sacked cities in the past, which is what these Gaza-adjacent towns in Southern Israel essentially were? The attackers captured their objective, burned and razed the buildings, stole everything they could carry, raped anyone without a penis and some with, and piled corpses in the streets. We’re stunned simply because we forgot what a sack is, but for most of human history, people lived in terror of it happening to them, hoping for the chance to inflict one upon their neighbors.

"We in the West, of which Israel is a part and thereby is hated, forgot about this. Worse, we have forgotten our strength and our courage. We have forgotten that we survive not through gentle hugging but through sword-swinging. For example, we have forgotten how to conduct a siege. The idea that Israel should somehow give these Hamas barbarians food, water, and electrical power even if it surrounds Gaza and prepares to attack is mind-boggling insanity. The moral illiteracy of expecting Israel to care more about the Palestinian people than other Palestinians do is simply bizarre.

"Remember the Pax Romana? Do you think that peace just sort of occurred because everybody shared their feelings openly and without restraint? Do you know how the Romans did sieges? Let’s talk about Caesar at Alesia. The Gauls had gotten uppity and killed a lot of Romans, so Caesar decided to pacify them. The barbarian leader Vercingetorix took refuge in the hilltop town, and Caesar immediately surrounded it. He had his legionnaires build a giant wall around it to lock the Gauls inside. The Gauls called their friends for help, so Caesar built another wall around his besieging forces to keep the relief column at bay. He starved out Alesia, eventually forcing the Gauls to attack and defeating them handily. Then he took Vercingetorix back to Rome, made him march in chains in triumph, and then had his defeated enemy strangled. This was an important learning point for the barbarians. Don’t screw with civilized people, or everybody dies.

"This is how you get a Pax Romana. There’s no other way.

"The hard truth is that the world contains bad people who must be crushed through ruthless violence, which shocks and horrifies modern sensibilities. But it is reality nonetheless. When people want to kill you, you are at a decision point. You can either let them kill you or stop them. But stopping them often involves aesthetically displeasing actions, such as blowing them into little bits with bombs or shoving a bayonet into their guts and watching them die in agony. And it necessarily means inflicting death and damage on the noncombatant camp followers around them. That’s why they say war is hell. And that’s why starting one is probably not a good idea. But when someone else starts one, you have to choose them or you. Someone’s going to die badly, and you know, I propose it is those other guys.

"The West didn’t start this fight, but it damn well better finish it, or they will finish us. Time to stop being soft. It's time to stop lying to ourselves. It's time to stop pretending that human nature took a 180° change a few decades ago and that we are not the same animals we used to be because now we have cars, airplanes, and Instagram.

"We are the same brutal, cruel, and warlike creatures we have always been. Every headline, every act of hideous violence, and every pro-genocide cheer by the grad school sociopaths who fetishize Third-World savages, proves it. What we have to do is lift the scales from our eyes, understand the situation we are in, and accept it.

"For the last couple of generations, we in the West have told ourselves that we have changed. We told ourselves that we are beyond violence. And we told ourselves that everyone else was too. But that was a lie.

"We need to stop lying to ourselves. A society that suspends both kids when one of them slugs a bully is signing its own suicide note.

"Even if our leaders refuse to be clear-eyed, you can be. Buy guns and ammunition."


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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:34 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:29 pm The day to day life of innocent people.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XCVxz6rIQ74
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Note to VT:

Just out of curiosity, are you now "banned" here? You haven't posted anything in two weeks. Not sure what was "redacted" above, but I need you to stick around if I am ever going to discover why you become so ferociously perturbed by those who refuse to think exactly as you do about, well, everything.

Yes, when it comes to things like the war over there, actual flesh and blood human beings [on both sides] have suffered, are suffering and will continue to suffer terribly. So, it is understandable that emotions can flare. Even in a philosophy forum. All we can do, to the best of our own ability, is to remind ourselves that this is but a philosophy forum.
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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm
Age wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:15 am
Walker wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:23 pm
That will not stop attacks against Israel, and stopping those attacks is the objective.
BUT stopping the attacks against the citizens STUCK in "gazza" was the objective.
This is rather provocative. I can't answer for Schlichter, so what do you think other than questions?

Accept That Savagery Is the True Nature of the World – and Deal With It
By Kurt Schlichter
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtsch ... t-n2630502

Begin quote:

"If you want an indicator of how lost Western civilization has become, go to your kids’ school and check their rules on fighting. Most likely, you’ll find out if two kids get into a fight, both get suspended, regardless of whether one was a punk bully who started it and the other was simply defending himself or some little kid."
What I 'think' here is 'this writer' has an EXTREMELY NARROWED and/or SHORT-SIGHTED view of 'things' here. But 'this' is just WHAT HAPPENS to 'those', people, who have CONCLUDED 'things' ALREADY and BELIEVE 'them' to be ABSOLUTELY TRUE, like in that 'attention grabbing headline ALREADY CONCLUDED BELIEF' above here, BEFORE 'they' SEEK OUT, GAIN, and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARITY FIRST.

I would ASK the CLARIFYING QUESTION, 'Does 'this one' REALLY BELIEVE that in EVERY school, in the so-called "western civilization", that what 'most likely' WILL BE FOUND is that there is some RULE that STIPULATES that when two children get into 'a fight', then both WILL get suspended, regardless of if one of those children are doing what is called 'bullying' the "other child", and if even the 'child' who was doing the 'bullying' started 'this fight' and the "other child" was ONLY just simply defending "themself" or some younger child, then BOTH of these children WILL BE SUSPENDED? But I will NOT ASK this CLARIFYING QUESTION because 'you' ONLY want the 'thinking' here. AGAIN, which is 'now' WONDERING WHY 'you' FEAR and/or do NOT WANT to be QUESTIONED?
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm This is a moral disaster, of course – violence in the defense of what is right is a moral obligation and a symbol of a greater rot within society.
What I 'think' here is, 'Yes the people who ARE TRAPPED WITHIN a WALLED parcel of land called "gazza", and who have been and ARE OBVIOUSLY being ABSOLUTELY OPPRESSED, are just DEFENDING "themselves" AGAINST the 'bully' and 'OPPRESSOR' here.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm This is the kind of rule created by middle-aged, divorced cat women who can neither find nor satisfy a man and live in a tranquil bubble of affluent, frivolous safety and security created by their harder, worthier forbearers who understood the world's true nature.
What I 'think' here is, 'This one is MORE SHORT-SIGHTED, CLOSED, TWISTED, and DISTORTED than I 'thought' before, which would somewhat EXPLAIN that 'attention grabbing headline'.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm "The true nature of the world is savagery.
I 'think here, so, to 'this one', the so-called 'true nature' of, 'the world' and thus of, HAVING 'babies', is NOT CARING FOR 'them' but TO BE SAVAGE TOWARDS 'them'.

I now also 'think', 'I WONDER what 'this one' MEANS BY, and IS REFERRING TO WITH, the words 'the world'?

Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm "The world's true nature is that good is forever pitted against evil.
I now 'think', 'And OPPRESSING human beings, like in "gazza", IS a Truly EVIL behavior.

Also, and by the way, 'evil' was NEVER IN the so-called 'world' UNTIL 'you', human beings, came along and STARTED DOING 'evil' TO "yourselves" and TOWARDS OTHER animals and even TOWARDS the ACTUAL 'world' 'the earth', itself. So, 'the world's', and 'the earth's', True Nature was, once upon a time, NEVER so-called 'good' forever pitted against 'evil' AT ALL.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm "That has never changed. What happened over the last 70 years or so was an interregnum of peace in the West, created by violence against barbarians and facilitated by people willfully looking away from the butchery still continuing at the fringes of the map. The West managed to build a civilization that was – for the first time in history since perhaps the Pax Romana – generally internally peaceful. And the West convinced itself that this was normal.
What I 'think' now is, 'How strange it was to start 'these writings' about how it is somehow wrong that the ' poor kid who is getting bullied at school gets suspended for just DEFENDING "themself" ', and HOW this is somehow related to 'TRYING TO' DEFEND one's OWN BELIEF that the civilians STUCK WITHIN the WALLS of "gazza" and who have, OBVIOUSLY, been 'BULLIED' for decades now SHOULD now be MORE, literally, BOMBARDED, and the CHILDREN now ALSO KILLED for JUST trying to DEFEND "themselves".

Also, what I now 'think' is, ' 'you', adult human beings, REALLY could NOT of gotten MORE STUPID and MORE CLOSED, in the days when this is being written'.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm "But it was not normal. It was an anomaly, a glorious one, but an anomaly nonetheless. The world is not a peaceful place, and it never was, and it never will be. Despite the best efforts of the arrogant left, human nature has not changed.
What I now 'think' is, 'To 'this one'. when human beings are in family groups, like when eating a meal together, there is NEVER ANY peace, as 'the world' is NOT a 'peaceful place', and NEVER WAS, and 'the world', (whatever 'that' even MEANS to 'this one') WILL NEVER EVER, EVER be AT peace.

What I am 'thinking' now is, 'This one has now CHANGED to be talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO that it IS 'human nature' that is what is NOT EVER AT peace, NOR 'peaceful'. Which, to me, goes AGAINST EVERY OBSERVATION I have made in regards to an overall picture of 'you', adult human beings, RAISING 'your' young AND WHEN SHARING 'the food', which 'you' hunt, gather, grow, and cultivate WITH and FOR "each other".

What I 'think' now is, 'But PLEASE feel FREE to BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' IS TRUE of 'your' OWN personal CHOOSING.'
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm Human nature is vicious and cruel.
What I 'think' now is PURE SARCASM in the form of, 'YES, just LOOK AT 'the way' 'you', human beings, RAISE 'your' OWN children and LOOK AT just HOW MUCH VICIOUSNESS and CRUELTY there IS, EXACTLY.'
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm Rousseau’s noble savage nonsense, which we are still dealing with today in the form of eager sophomores in Che t-shirts slobbering over Hamas psychopaths – is a giant fraud. Savages are not distinguished by their nobility. Their savagery distinguishes them. And we need to find the moral strength to do what is necessary to defeat them.
What I 'think' here is, 'This one ACTUALLY BELIEVES that KILLING ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY INNOCENT CHILDREN while in the ATTEMPT TO ABSOLUTELY MURDER OTHER human beings is a so-called 'moral strength'.'

What I now 'think' is, 'This person, like MANY "others", were SO DELUDED that WATCHING and OBSERVING what IS HAPPENING would be ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS if NOT for SO MANY Truly INNOCENT human beings were NOT being HARMED and DAMAGED, in the process.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm "We must learn again to kill. We must learn again to destroy.
What I NOT just 'think' now but KNOW is, 'I am NOT replying to ANYMORE of 'this' now. These last words here SHOWS and PROVES just how MUCH HARM and DAMAGE has been CAUSED TO once what was another Truly INNOCENT child.
Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm We must learn again to be ruthless in defeating our enemies. The big lie that Western civilization tells itself is that there are no real enemies, that there are no bad people – except the people of the West themselves, who bear some sort of original sin for not being corrupt and inept Third World barbarians.

"We do have enemies, as we have seen. We do have enemies, as they tell us. When they talk about decolonization, they are talking about de-you-ization. When they talk about killing settlers, you need to understand that you are a settler, and they mean killing you. They mean raping your daughter in front of you. They mean chopping your baby’s head off. They mean slaughtering your wife or husband, sons and daughters, and even your dog. And they mean enjoying it, reveling in the ecstatic glee of mass murder, and being so proud of it that they call home to their daddies and brag about it, or put up their body cam videos on TikTok.

"The world was always a savage place. What happened on October 7 was not an anomaly. It was normality. What do you think happened to sacked cities in the past, which is what these Gaza-adjacent towns in Southern Israel essentially were? The attackers captured their objective, burned and razed the buildings, stole everything they could carry, raped anyone without a penis and some with, and piled corpses in the streets. We’re stunned simply because we forgot what a sack is, but for most of human history, people lived in terror of it happening to them, hoping for the chance to inflict one upon their neighbors.

"We in the West, of which Israel is a part and thereby is hated, forgot about this. Worse, we have forgotten our strength and our courage. We have forgotten that we survive not through gentle hugging but through sword-swinging. For example, we have forgotten how to conduct a siege. The idea that Israel should somehow give these Hamas barbarians food, water, and electrical power even if it surrounds Gaza and prepares to attack is mind-boggling insanity. The moral illiteracy of expecting Israel to care more about the Palestinian people than other Palestinians do is simply bizarre.

"We do have enemies, as we have seen. We do have enemies, as they tell us. When they talk about decolonization, they are talking about de-you-ization. When they talk about killing settlers, you need to understand that you are a settler, and they mean killing you. They mean raping your daughter in front of you. They mean chopping your baby’s head off. They mean slaughtering your wife or husband, sons and daughters, and even your dog. And they mean enjoying it, reveling in the ecstatic glee of mass murder, and being so proud of it that they call home to their daddies and brag about it, or put up their body cam videos on TikTok.

"The world was always a savage place. What happened on October 7 was not an anomaly. It was normality. What do you think happened to sacked cities in the past, which is what these Gaza-adjacent towns in Southern Israel essentially were? The attackers captured their objective, burned and razed the buildings, stole everything they could carry, raped anyone without a penis and some with, and piled corpses in the streets. We’re stunned simply because we forgot what a sack is, but for most of human history, people lived in terror of it happening to them, hoping for the chance to inflict one upon their neighbors.

"We in the West, of which Israel is a part and thereby is hated, forgot about this. Worse, we have forgotten our strength and our courage. We have forgotten that we survive not through gentle hugging but through sword-swinging. For example, we have forgotten how to conduct a siege. The idea that Israel should somehow give these Hamas barbarians food, water, and electrical power even if it surrounds Gaza and prepares to attack is mind-boggling insanity. The moral illiteracy of expecting Israel to care more about the Palestinian people than other Palestinians do is simply bizarre.

"Remember the Pax Romana? Do you think that peace just sort of occurred because everybody shared their feelings openly and without restraint? Do you know how the Romans did sieges? Let’s talk about Caesar at Alesia. The Gauls had gotten uppity and killed a lot of Romans, so Caesar decided to pacify them. The barbarian leader Vercingetorix took refuge in the hilltop town, and Caesar immediately surrounded it. He had his legionnaires build a giant wall around it to lock the Gauls inside. The Gauls called their friends for help, so Caesar built another wall around his besieging forces to keep the relief column at bay. He starved out Alesia, eventually forcing the Gauls to attack and defeating them handily. Then he took Vercingetorix back to Rome, made him march in chains in triumph, and then had his defeated enemy strangled. This was an important learning point for the barbarians. Don’t screw with civilized people, or everybody dies.

"This is how you get a Pax Romana. There’s no other way.

"The hard truth is that the world contains bad people who must be crushed through ruthless violence, which shocks and horrifies modern sensibilities. But it is reality nonetheless. When people want to kill you, you are at a decision point. You can either let them kill you or stop them. But stopping them often involves aesthetically displeasing actions, such as blowing them into little bits with bombs or shoving a bayonet into their guts and watching them die in agony. And it necessarily means inflicting death and damage on the noncombatant camp followers around them. That’s why they say war is hell. And that’s why starting one is probably not a good idea. But when someone else starts one, you have to choose them or you. Someone’s going to die badly, and you know, I propose it is those other guys.

"The West didn’t start this fight, but it damn well better finish it, or they will finish us. Time to stop being soft. It's time to stop lying to ourselves. It's time to stop pretending that human nature took a 180° change a few decades ago and that we are not the same animals we used to be because now we have cars, airplanes, and Instagram.

"We are the same brutal, cruel, and warlike creatures we have always been. Every headline, every act of hideous violence, and every pro-genocide cheer by the grad school sociopaths who fetishize Third-World savages, proves it. What we have to do is lift the scales from our eyes, understand the situation we are in, and accept it.

"For the last couple of generations, we in the West have told ourselves that we have changed. We told ourselves that we are beyond violence. And we told ourselves that everyone else was too. But that was a lie.

"We need to stop lying to ourselves. A society that suspends both kids when one of them slugs a bully is signing its own suicide note.

"Even if our leaders refuse to be clear-eyed, you can be. Buy guns and ammunition."


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Thank you for the sincere response, Age. Most appropriate. What’s happening is terrible, I know. What’s happening is inevitable, proven by the fact that it is. The implications of that meaning are for personal contemplation. The truths revealed in personal contemplation, as distinct from non-conceptual meditation, are a source of energy. The intellectual activity is energizing because eventually, a conclusion emerges, and the discovery of a true conclusion is energizing. Energy is what it’s all about. The required intellectual energy to discover conclusions, especially when attention is held on the same topic over time without blinking, looking away, or being distracted, is driven by personal conundrums.

Look at me, talking to you about energy. You are the energy meister apparent for man and machine.

I know you have questions, because of your M.O. On the subject of questions, I’ve noticed that cops professionally ask questions of others because the cops are not using those questions as portals for personal contemplation in order to arrive at root principles that apply to all exact situations, and I think that likewise would also be appropriate in a PNF situation.

What I’m saying is, you ask cop questions, but this isn’t a cop situation.

And I only tell you this in advance to spare you the time of directing cop questions towards me, at least in this one exact specific incident that may not necessarily apply to any particular, but as yet unknown, future posting. Who knows, at some possible but unknown space/time coordinate, I very well may feel the need to answer your every question for as long as I feel the need, which would be an inevitable energy event if it does occur.

Now just for shits and giggles, imagine the scene in this link, applied to this scene here, at this time that it is being read and processed.

In this funny scene from a movie, there is a guy talking about conclusions. He’s quite energetic, and that’s okay because I think he knows it. He’s like a dad purposely exasperating the kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDEL4Ty950Q
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Israel to Hamas: No Cease Fire -- Surrender Unconditionally or Die
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/10 ... ie-n588775
“Israel will not agree to a cessation of hostilities after the horrific attacks of October 7,” says Netanyahu in comments in English to the foreign media. “Calls for a ceasefire are a call for Israel to surrender to Hamas, to surrender to terror, to surrender to barbarism. That will not happen.”

Netanyahu says nobody would have called on the US to agree to a ceasefire following the Pearl Harbor attack during World War II.

The prime minister says there must be a “moral distinction between the deliberate murder of the innocent, and the unintentional kind of casualties that accompany every legitimate war,” in comments on the death toll of Palestinians in Gaza.
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"The prime minister says there must be a “moral distinction between the deliberate murder of the innocent, and the unintentional kind of casualties that accompany every legitimate war,”

Hamas did what they did becuz they don't have the military might to launch a full scale war.

If they had, and instead of shooting up a few kibbutz and taking hostages, they rolled through with tanks and launched hundreds of missles, your prime minister would be bitchin about that and wishing they had just shot up a few kibbutz.

So tell that putz to sit down and shut up.
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How about making a distinction between acts of war and acts of terrorism? Gaza is capable of harbouring terrorists, of course (where isn't?) but it isn't capable of waging war. Israel's claim to be at war with Hamas is as dishonest as George Bush's claim to be at war with "terror". It's a pretext; a mere play with words to justify the unjustifiable mass murder of Palestinian people.
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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:24 pm
Kurt Schlichter wrote: We must learn again to be ruthless in defeating our enemies. The big lie that Western civilization tells itself is that there are no real enemies, that there are no bad people – except the people of the West themselves, who bear some sort of original sin for not being corrupt and inept Third World barbarians.
I read the essay, and I believe I understand what he is trying to say, but I also believe that we can, though I will not say that we must, see through his rhetoric and try to see what he really is saying. I don't say that *we must* because, having been reading what Walker posts, and hearing his opinions, I believe I am aware of a man who is not so much interested in *truth* but rather in putting forth rhetorical presentations that can rally people to the side that he supports. For this reason Walker is involved not in philosophical or soul-searching efforts to arrive at what is true, but rather in propagandistic efforts. And this fits in with so much going on today.

So for Walker, and for his enterprise, I think he must not see nor consider what I am proposing here.

Our 'assent' is being fought over. Enemies are defined for us. And we are then admonished, cajoled and also manipulated into giving our assent to dubious enterprises. Do I say this as an opponent of whatever side Walker is supporting? Definitely not! I say this because I sense that Walker is not enough aware of the present dynamics in respect to Israel/Palestine and what amount to a huge and complex area.

For this reason, I gather, he *resonates* with Kurt Schlichter.

I might accept that we must become ruthless in defeating our enemies. But I am quite certain that we would have to stop and linger a long while over who, or what, is in fact an enemy.

It is absurd to state that *the West* has never said that there are no enemies nor that it has no enemies! The actual fact is that enemies have been created in order to focus the attention of populations so they become willing to give assent to those who establish the motivational narrative.

So, are those who do this -- let me take the Vietnam War as an example -- and who lead or provoke an entire nation into an unjustifiable war that results in millions killed, are those who do this *the enemy*? An answer must be given.

So if it is true that I must become *ruthless in defeating [my] enemies* I might go along with it -- but how will I go about defining who is, and who is not, my enemy?

The function of 9/11 -- by this I mean what policies were put into motion as a result of it -- provide us with a troubling problem. First fact: these were fabricated events. What is said to have happened, and who is said to have done it, is not what actually happened nor by whom it was said to have been done. These were managed events. If that is so, are the people and interests who did it my enemy or my friend? Were the people whom we invaded, occupied and killed really my enemies? An answer must be given.

If it isn't obvious let me make it plain: we are right in the midst of an enormous war-time effort that involves the manipulation of perception, feeling and belief in order to prime us to get behind policy decisions comparable to my reference to Vietnam.

And is it my *friends* who do this or am I to see them as my *enemy*?
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