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Hjarloprillar wrote:Like any party among friends we have drifted very far from
"the universe expands."

so on topic.
i was once told the universe will end up as a massive number of black holes all slowly bunching till they hit some critical mass figure.
then boom.. a new universe explodes into being.
considering the number of theories which abound. this seems as likely as the next

And the real question is, why is it expanding? Dark Matter? Dark Energy? The Expansion is Accelerating? In one explanation of what is happening it was stated that Space is stretching, I really don't like that Idea, I prefer to think that the universe is expanding because there is more and more space in it. I like to think of space as the perfect fluid, incompressible and non expanding but able to freely change shape to fit in. If there is more space now than before, where did it come from? There are distant galaxies that are moving away from us at near light speed, but relativity is not in jeopardy, the galaxies are not moving through space at that speed, the space the galaxies are in is moving away from us at that speed. It seems relativity does not apply to space itself, only the objects within that space.

Or as i see it

Mass creates space.
without any mater there is no space for each define the other.
a dualism
of fundamental proportion.
There can be no good without evil
there can be no light without dark

there can be no burger with a coke
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"the galaxies are not moving through space at that speed, the space the galaxies are in is moving away from us at that speed. It seems relativity does not apply to space itself, only the objects within that space."

interesting

Hjarloprillar wrote:Like any party among friends we have drifted very far from
"the universe expands."

so on topic.
i was once told the universe will end up as a massive number of black holes all slowly bunching till they hit some critical mass figure.
then boom.. a new universe explodes into being.
considering the number of theories which abound. this seems as likely as the next

Yes I like it's possibility.

Hjarloprillar wrote:Or as i see it

Mass creates space.
without any mater there is no space for each define the other.
a dualism
of fundamental proportion.
There can be no good without evil
there can be no light without dark

there can be no burger with a coke
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"the galaxies are not moving through space at that speed, the space the galaxies are in is moving away from us at that speed. It seems relativity does not apply to space itself, only the objects within that space."

interesting

Are matter, space and time still being created somewhere in the universe? perhaps at different points scattered about the universe or everywhere in the universe? And is that creation of new space and matter accelerating?

thedoc wrote:

Hjarloprillar wrote:Or as i see it

Mass creates space.
without any mater there is no space for each define the other.
a dualism
of fundamental proportion.
There can be no good without evil
there can be no light without dark

there can be no burger with a coke
___________________________________________
"the galaxies are not moving through space at that speed, the space the galaxies are in is moving away from us at that speed. It seems relativity does not apply to space itself, only the objects within that space."

interesting

Are matter, space and time still being created somewhere in the universe? perhaps at different points scattered about the universe or everywhere in the universe? And is that creation of new space and matter accelerating?

I dont believe the idea that there is no edge to the universe.
If this verse started with bang and expanded. it has outer [leading] edge.
this edge still exists. But it fits. If mass makes space then space 'peters' out past the edge of universe ///rob peter to pay paul

go far enough that the siderial verse can be occluded with an upheld hand,,like the astronaut that covered earth with a thumb.
space will not vanish. for the ship we observe from creates space. it is mass.
that space is not connected to thee space of the greater universe. it is the ship and people inside that make it.

what bends my noodle is holes. where does the hole go to or is it simply a mass pit where gravity becomes so titanic it creates a horizon we can never see into.
where the laws of reality maxout.
the average joe has no idea really of what a hole is,
collapsed mater means what? do atoms come apart? or just bunch up.
[as in neutron stars]

As a man who believes the universe a designed thing. [designed by ;god]
I must assume holes are not an anomaly.
They are so voracious and implacable a billion+[ a trillion? close to horizon] earth gravities orbital mechanics can rip a 1cm nickle steelball bearing apart as the far side of bearing wants to orbit at different rate than nearside
spaghettification is the official scientific term .

i call it the edge of understanding, nothing escapes. nothing lives.
yet when all the stars burn out they will remain and eat eachother till there is one hole left some 100 billion years from now.

daunting stuff.
And why i laugh at religions ;eternal life'
when reality is one huge black hole. where is heaven? 100 billion years after man goes extinct on the blue planet on edge of nondescript galaxy somewhere in past.

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my sister once said. nicky, if you were a christian you would be a prophet
my answer was i cant think of a less desirable path

sis we all are given a brain . i ask only that people use it and not depend on a prophet to answer question they can answer by using that brain.
the plan the god/design the farmer and seeder. made ages past has us now with minds. use them

Hjarloprillar wrote:
I dont believe the idea that there is no edge to the universe.
If this verse started with bang and expanded. it has outer [leading] edge.
this edge still exists. But it fits. If mass makes space then space 'peters' out past the edge of universe ///rob peter to pay paul

go far enough that the siderial verse can be occluded with an upheld hand,,like the astronaut that covered earth with a thumb.
space will not vanish. for the ship we observe from creates space. it is mass.
that space is not connected to thee space of the greater universe. it is the ship and people inside that make it.

It is my understanding that the universe is finite but unbounded, it is of a limited size but has no edge. An edge implies that the universe is on this side of the edge and something else is on the other side. However it seems that there is nothing on the other side, first because there is no edge, and there is nothing to be there, no space, no time, no matter. It is complete and utter non-existence. It's counter-intuitive, but there is nothing to say that the universe must behave according to our understanding. We are just observing it, we didn't create it.

However it seems that there is nothing on the other side, first because there is no edge, and there is nothing to be there, no space, no time, no matter. It is complete and utter non-existence. It's counter-intuitive, but there is nothing to say that the universe must behave according to our understanding. We are just observing it, we didn't create it______________________________________


Doc . it makes you think. and that is why i am here i aside from you i post here to make them think.
you do it [make them think] in a slower and more civilized way.
i cant do that. i blow holes in walls that could be deconstructed.
outside what we can observe. is not non existance it is but observable. if you photograph a glass of water
and call the pic , a glass of water. everything but the water is looked at 1st
remove the backset the glass but leave water that is art.