Philosophy of Mind

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Darkneos
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 2:16 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 1:38 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 12:53 am

'you' really are a conniving and deceitful thing.

Look, you "darkneoe" made 'the claim'. 'There are lots of separate chains with lots of starts'.

Now, all I, essentially, did, here, was just asked you, nicely, to provide examples to 'your claim'.

you, obviously, provided absolutely none at all, thus rendering 'your claim' absolutely worthless and useless.

However, instead of being mature and just accepting this Fact, you, instead, have 'tried' your very hardest to claim that it is 'me' who will not acknowledge so-called 'direct proof'.

LOL you have not provide 'any proof' at all. And, the funniest part, here, is that it is 'you' who will not accept the 'direct proof' that 'staring at you', as some would say, and which 'I' have been providing, here.
No reasoning with the "insane", others were right (not to mention understand what I'm saying). You gave no proof at all.

I'm done, enjoy your ego boosting I guess...
'I' was not the one asked for proof. 'you' were. LOL

Once again, 'you' 'trying to' deflect and be deceitful, here, is not helping 'you' at all.

Please 'run way', because only those who are not capable, nor mature, enough when questioned and/or challenged, here, do have the tendency to want to 'run away', and to 'try to' 'hide'.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I never asked for proof...
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 3:05 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 2:16 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 1:38 am
No reasoning with the "insane", others were right (not to mention understand what I'm saying). You gave no proof at all.

I'm done, enjoy your ego boosting I guess...
'I' was not the one asked for proof. 'you' were. LOL

Once again, 'you' 'trying to' deflect and be deceitful, here, is not helping 'you' at all.

Please 'run way', because only those who are not capable, nor mature, enough when questioned and/or challenged, here, do have the tendency to want to 'run away', and to 'try to' 'hide'.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I never asked for proof...
Obviously.

Our words are written, here, as 'living proof'.

And, one thing that has been irrefutably proved is that you did not provide any examples, at all, for 'your claim', and even after you were asked to.

And, as I was saying, and pointing out, is you did not because non exists.
Darkneos
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 4:46 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 3:05 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 2:16 am

'I' was not the one asked for proof. 'you' were. LOL

Once again, 'you' 'trying to' deflect and be deceitful, here, is not helping 'you' at all.

Please 'run way', because only those who are not capable, nor mature, enough when questioned and/or challenged, here, do have the tendency to want to 'run away', and to 'try to' 'hide'.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I never asked for proof...
Obviously.

Our words are written, here, as 'living proof'.

And, one thing that has been irrefutably proved is that you did not provide any examples, at all, for 'your claim', and even after you were asked to.

And, as I was saying, and pointing out, is you did not because non exists.
It does, you just don't care. Everyone else gets it...

Like I said, brick wall.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:55 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 4:46 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 3:05 am
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I never asked for proof...
Obviously.

Our words are written, here, as 'living proof'.

And, one thing that has been irrefutably proved is that you did not provide any examples, at all, for 'your claim', and even after you were asked to.

And, as I was saying, and pointing out, is you did not because non exists.
It does, you just don't care. Everyone else gets it...

Like I said, brick wall.
So, LOL 'this one' actually believes, absolutely, that there are lots of chains, which all began, but when asked to provide just one solitary example, it failed absolutely, and 'now' it is still insisting that example/s exist, yet it still is not even able to present one.

What an an absolute joke.

Imagine being so absolutely stupid that you believe some thing exists, like for example, lots of separate chains exist all with their own starts, a man with a penis created everything, all at once, there are lots of mi ds, you have your 'own mind', and/or that the big bang was the beginning of everything all at once, and then when asked to provide absolutely any thing that even could, let alone would, back up and support your own beliefs, you provide absolutely nothing at all, but yet you, still, keep insisting that 'your own belief 'is true'.

Could one be any more blind, stupid, or closed?

And, LOL it calls me a 'brickwall'.

Worse still, imagine believing that absolutely everyone else 'gets' 'your belief', as though 'your belief' was true, and right somehow.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:48 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:55 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 4:46 am

Obviously.

Our words are written, here, as 'living proof'.

And, one thing that has been irrefutably proved is that you did not provide any examples, at all, for 'your claim', and even after you were asked to.

And, as I was saying, and pointing out, is you did not because non exists.
It does, you just don't care. Everyone else gets it...

Like I said, brick wall.
So, LOL 'this one' actually believes, absolutely, that there are lots of chains, which all began, but when asked to provide just one solitary example, it failed absolutely, and 'now' it is still insisting that example/s exist, yet it still is not even able to present one.

What an an absolute joke.

Imagine being so absolutely stupid that you believe some thing exists, like for example, lots of separate chains exist all with their own starts, a man with a penis created everything, all at once, there are lots of mi ds, you have your 'own mind', and/or that the big bang was the beginning of everything all at once, and then when asked to provide absolutely any thing that even could, let alone would, back up and support your own beliefs, you provide absolutely nothing at all, but yet you, still, keep insisting that 'your own belief 'is true'.

Could one be any more blind, stupid, or closed?

And, LOL it calls me a 'brickwall'.

Worse still, imagine believing that absolutely everyone else 'gets' 'your belief', as though 'your belief' was true, and right somehow.
Big Bang wasn't necessarily the "Beginning" per se, it's one of many models we have.

People already gave examples, not our fault you're the only one who doesn't get it. All you got is noise and insistence, nothing substantial. Maybe that's why they reply to me and not you.

Meh...not like I was expecting anything from you.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 7:23 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:48 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:55 am
It does, you just don't care. Everyone else gets it...

Like I said, brick wall.
So, LOL 'this one' actually believes, absolutely, that there are lots of chains, which all began, but when asked to provide just one solitary example, it failed absolutely, and 'now' it is still insisting that example/s exist, yet it still is not even able to present one.

What an an absolute joke.

Imagine being so absolutely stupid that you believe some thing exists, like for example, lots of separate chains exist all with their own starts, a man with a penis created everything, all at once, there are lots of mi ds, you have your 'own mind', and/or that the big bang was the beginning of everything all at once, and then when asked to provide absolutely any thing that even could, let alone would, back up and support your own beliefs, you provide absolutely nothing at all, but yet you, still, keep insisting that 'your own belief 'is true'.

Could one be any more blind, stupid, or closed?

And, LOL it calls me a 'brickwall'.

Worse still, imagine believing that absolutely everyone else 'gets' 'your belief', as though 'your belief' was true, and right somehow.
Big Bang wasn't necessarily the "Beginning" per se, it's one of many models we have.

People already gave examples, not our fault you're the only one who doesn't get it. All you got is noise and insistence, nothing substantial. Maybe that's why they reply to me and not you.

Meh...not like I was expecting anything from you.
But you, still, have not provided just one single example, and this is because you can not come up with just one single example.

And, absolutely no one has provide any examples for 'your claims', here.

By the way, what do the words, 'I'm done', even mean, to you, exactly?
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:42 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 7:23 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:48 am

So, LOL 'this one' actually believes, absolutely, that there are lots of chains, which all began, but when asked to provide just one solitary example, it failed absolutely, and 'now' it is still insisting that example/s exist, yet it still is not even able to present one.

What an an absolute joke.

Imagine being so absolutely stupid that you believe some thing exists, like for example, lots of separate chains exist all with their own starts, a man with a penis created everything, all at once, there are lots of mi ds, you have your 'own mind', and/or that the big bang was the beginning of everything all at once, and then when asked to provide absolutely any thing that even could, let alone would, back up and support your own beliefs, you provide absolutely nothing at all, but yet you, still, keep insisting that 'your own belief 'is true'.

Could one be any more blind, stupid, or closed?

And, LOL it calls me a 'brickwall'.

Worse still, imagine believing that absolutely everyone else 'gets' 'your belief', as though 'your belief' was true, and right somehow.
Big Bang wasn't necessarily the "Beginning" per se, it's one of many models we have.

People already gave examples, not our fault you're the only one who doesn't get it. All you got is noise and insistence, nothing substantial. Maybe that's why they reply to me and not you.

Meh...not like I was expecting anything from you.
But you, still, have not provided just one single example, and this is because you can not come up with just one single example.

And, absolutely no one has provide any examples for 'your claims', here.

By the way, what do the words, 'I'm done', even mean, to you, exactly?
People already did, but...predictably...it didn't matter to you. Like I said, you're nothing but noise...
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 9:01 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:42 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 7:23 am
Big Bang wasn't necessarily the "Beginning" per se, it's one of many models we have.

People already gave examples, not our fault you're the only one who doesn't get it. All you got is noise and insistence, nothing substantial. Maybe that's why they reply to me and not you.

Meh...not like I was expecting anything from you.
But you, still, have not provided just one single example, and this is because you can not come up with just one single example.

And, absolutely no one has provide any examples for 'your claims', here.

By the way, what do the words, 'I'm done', even mean, to you, exactly?
People already did, but...predictably...it didn't matter to you. Like I said, you're nothing but noise...
So, you, also, actually do not know what the words, 'I'm done', mean, exactly.

By the way no person has. So, 'this claim' of yours, here, is also False, and Wrong, as well.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:24 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 9:01 am
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:42 am

But you, still, have not provided just one single example, and this is because you can not come up with just one single example.

And, absolutely no one has provide any examples for 'your claims', here.

By the way, what do the words, 'I'm done', even mean, to you, exactly?
People already did, but...predictably...it didn't matter to you. Like I said, you're nothing but noise...
So, you, also, actually do not know what the words, 'I'm done', mean, exactly.

By the way no person has. So, 'this claim' of yours, here, is also False, and Wrong, as well.
They have you just don't care, like I mentioned before. So transparent...
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 7:43 pm
Age wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:24 am
Darkneos wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 9:01 am
People already did, but...predictably...it didn't matter to you. Like I said, you're nothing but noise...
So, you, also, actually do not know what the words, 'I'm done', mean, exactly.

By the way no person has. So, 'this claim' of yours, here, is also False, and Wrong, as well.
They have you just don't care, like I mentioned before. So transparent...
They have not and you will prove this by you not providing where they, supposedly and allegedly, have.

Also, you, still, do not yet know what 'I'm done' mean.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Imagine going to a philosophy forum, claiming there are many particular things, but when you are just asked for an example, you then realise that actually there is not one of 'those things', at all.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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It's an error to conflate 'mind' and 'consciousness'.
Mind is all one thing, to be defined as that which is not a substance extended in space and time.

Consciousness, on the other hand is not all the one thing ; consciousness takes several forms . What is often taken to be the same as consciousness is precisely waking awareness'. Other forms of consciousness are dreaming consciousness and hallucinating consciousness.

Waking awareness itself is subdivisible into unfocused reverie and focused insightful awareness.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Age wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:05 am Imagine going to a philosophy forum, claiming there are many particular things, but when you are just asked for an example, you then realise that actually there is not one of 'those things', at all.
There is, like was mentioned, but like everyone knows you don't actually care about those. Imagine going to a philosophy forum with the conclusion in mind, how sad...
Belinda wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:23 pm It's an error to conflate 'mind' and 'consciousness'.
Mind is all one thing, to be defined as that which is not a substance extended in space and time.

Consciousness, on the other hand is not all the one thing ; consciousness takes several forms . What is often taken to be the same as consciousness is precisely waking awareness'. Other forms of consciousness are dreaming consciousness and hallucinating consciousness.

Waking awareness itself is subdivisible into unfocused reverie and focused insightful awareness.
I don't know, to me that just sounds like splitting hairs, consciousness is all just one thing and the main issue is whether you or someone else is truly conscious or not. Some folks say it doesn't exist and it's just an illusion. Though I think your distinctions are more about the content of consciousness and not really the process itself.
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I suspect that the forms or expressions of consciousness are, in fact, immediate and delayed reactions to the outside world.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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Darkneos wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 9:39 pm
Age wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:05 am Imagine going to a philosophy forum, claiming there are many particular things, but when you are just asked for an example, you then realise that actually there is not one of 'those things', at all.
There is, like was mentioned, but like everyone knows you don't actually care about those.
Again, 'this one', still, claims there are many particular, while, still, not providing just one example.

Again, this is because there is not one. And, each time it does not provide an example, which backs up and supports its claims, then the more it is revealing about "itself".
Darkneos wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 9:39 pm Imagine going to a philosophy forum with the conclusion in mind, how sad...
LOL 'The one' who came, here, with the conclusion is 'you'. As proved by 'your very claim', which you obviously had already concluded, and believed, is absolutely true.

Only 'now', after you were questioned, you have come to realise that there actually is none. Again, as proved by your completely lack of ability to even just think of one example, only.
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