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Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:39 pm
by Phil8659
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:37 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:36 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 7:57 pm
No. Unfortunately, we all seem to be pretty much screwed in that respect.
Not for the Unborn Tao.
Eternal Tao: In a metaphysical sense, the "unborn" Tao is the uncreated, unborn, and unextinguished source of all things, existing before and beyond time. Don’t be scared.
Does the possibility of being "unborn" still exist for any of us here?
As I said, there are two types of identity, two parts of speech.
Unless a man be born again. . .
We are born perceptibly, but unless we attain to judgment, we are not born intelligibly.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:41 pm
by Phil8659
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:38 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:36 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:34 pm
Then you know more about God than I do.
You cannot think your way out of a paper bag. Think of a book as a paper bag of words.
You violate the very foundation of judgment, all the time and do not even realize it.
How do you figure that?
You cannot even comprehend simple grammar.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:42 pm
by Gary Childress
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:39 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:37 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:36 pm
Not for the Unborn Tao.
Eternal Tao: In a metaphysical sense, the "unborn" Tao is the uncreated, unborn, and unextinguished source of all things, existing before and beyond time. Don’t be scared.
Does the possibility of being "unborn" still exist for any of us here?
As I said, there are two types of identity, two parts of speech.
Unless a man be born again. . .
We are born perceptibly, but unless we attain to judgment, we are not born intelligibly.
Unless you recall a past life (I certainly don't), then I see no reason to believe that people are "born" more than once.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:43 pm
by Gary Childress
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:41 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:38 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:36 pm
You cannot think your way out of a paper bag. Think of a book as a paper bag of words.
You violate the very foundation of judgment, all the time and do not even realize it.
How do you figure that?
You cannot even comprehend simple grammar.
Evidently.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:48 pm
by Fairy
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:37 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:36 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 7:57 pm
No. Unfortunately, we all seem to be pretty much screwed in that respect.
Not for the Unborn Tao.
Eternal Tao: In a metaphysical sense, the "unborn" Tao is the uncreated, unborn, and unextinguished source of all things, existing before and beyond time. Don’t be scared.
Does the possibility of being "unborn" still exist for any of us here?
Yes. You choose to be born, or not. To choose birth is to sentence yourself to death.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:51 pm
by Gary Childress
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:37 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:36 pm
Not for the Unborn Tao.
Eternal Tao: In a metaphysical sense, the "unborn" Tao is the uncreated, unborn, and unextinguished source of all things, existing before and beyond time. Don’t be scared.
Does the possibility of being "unborn" still exist for any of us here?
Yes. You choose to be born, or not. To choose birth is to sentence yourself to death.
Well, if I had stayed in the womb, I don't think that would have worked out well either, eventually. Otherwise, I'm not aware of "choosing" to be born. Do you have evidence for the alleged act? Is it something we all do or just some of us?
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:58 pm
by Fairy
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:51 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:37 pm
Does the possibility of being "unborn" still exist for any of us here?
Yes. You choose to be born, or not. To choose birth is to sentence yourself to death.
Well, if I had stayed in the womb, I don't think that would have worked out well either, eventually. Otherwise, I'm not aware of "choosing" to be born. Do you have evidence for the alleged act? Is it something we all do or just some of us?
You are not separate from the father who sired your mother that gave birth to you. They chose to birth you, they didn’t abort you.
Every birth that ever happened was chosen.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:02 pm
by Gary Childress
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:58 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:51 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:48 pm
Yes. You choose to be born, or not. To choose birth is to sentence yourself to death.
Well, if I had stayed in the womb, I don't think that would have worked out well either, eventually. Otherwise, I'm not aware of "choosing" to be born. Do you have evidence for the alleged act? Is it something we all do or just some of us?
You are not separate from the father who sired your mother that gave birth to you. They chose to birth you, they didn’t abort you.
Every birth that ever happened was chosen.
Not by the one who is born. I see no evidence that any of us in this world are (were) here by choice, including my mother (and father).
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:17 pm
by Fairy
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:02 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:58 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:51 pm
Well, if I had stayed in the womb, I don't think that would have worked out well either, eventually. Otherwise, I'm not aware of "choosing" to be born. Do you have evidence for the alleged act? Is it something we all do or just some of us?
You are not separate from the father who sired your mother that gave birth to you. They chose to birth you, they didn’t abort you.
Every birth that ever happened was chosen.
Not by the one who is born. I see no evidence that any of us in this world are (were) here by choice, including my mother (and father).
Then don’t be scared, if nothing is choosing to be born, or to die. Then no one is responsible for anything that happens in life.
How would that one birth that didn’t choose birth have happened ? How would it have known it was born without a mother or a father?
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:24 pm
by Gary Childress
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:17 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:02 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:58 pm
You are not separate from the father who sired your mother that gave birth to you. They chose to birth you, they didn’t abort you.
Every birth that ever happened was chosen.
Not by the one who is born. I see no evidence that any of us in this world are (were) here by choice, including my mother (and father).
Then don’t be scared, if nothing is choosing to be born, or to die. Then no one is responsible for anything that happens in life.
How would that one birth that didn’t choose birth have happened ? How would it have known it was born without a mother or a father?
I agree. Few of us are responsible for many things we do, though, the deeds of some seem to push that idea to the limit. But if we live in a world created by a God, then God is responsible.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:44 pm
by Fairy
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:24 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:17 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 9:02 pm
Not by the one who is born. I see no evidence that any of us in this world are (were) here by choice, including my mother (and father).
Then don’t be scared, if nothing is choosing to be born, or to die. Then no one is responsible for anything that happens in life.
How would that one birth that didn’t choose birth have happened ? How would it have known it was born without a mother or a father?
I agree. Few of us are responsible for many things we do, though, the deeds of some seem to push that idea to the limit. But if we live in a world created by a God, then God is responsible.
No one even chooses to be responsible if no one chooses to be born. What would responsibility even mean, if nothing was choosing responsibility?
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2025 2:49 am
by popeye1945
What is not life-sustaining is typically considered morally wrong. That is why the foundation of any moral system should be humanity's common biology. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and the only source of meaning in the world. Western genocide is most definitely immoral, as is its colonial tradition.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2025 3:00 am
by accelafine
https://x.com/ProfDBernstein/status/1996875480096817325
But of course anyone who hates Jews is always going to believe Hamas propaganda over facts and logic.
Hamas is definitely winning the propaganda war. Israel is busy fighting for its existence. Fat Hamas billionaires have all the money and time in the world to feed a gullible, agenda-driven audience that is eating out of its hands.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:02 am
by popeye1945
Israel is not a legitimate nation; it is a financed military outpost of the American government, so much so that Israel has a higher standard of living than the United States itself, yet it still finances Israel-American wars. Connecting the dots, Israel could not exist in the absence of the United States Military and its infinite funding. Israel is a colonial settlement in the tradition of colonialism. America is going to be the last man standing in defense of that wretched six-century-long tradition of exploitation and enslavement. The age of Empire and colonialism is coming to a close. This, more than at any time in history, is an interrelated, interdependent world that thus needs a world system of interdependent interrelated cooperation. An analogy, the schoolyard is uniting against the bully, and the bully is threatening to burn down the schoolhouse. The BRICS federation of nations is now over fifty percent of the world's population, with fifty countries waiting to join. The writing is on the wall, boys and girls, the world is in an evolutionary process. Those who will not change will be dragged along or perish.
Re: Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:06 am
by accelafine
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:02 am
Israel is not a legitimate nation; it is a financed military outpost of the American government, so much so that Israel has a higher standard of living than the United States itself, yet it still finances Israel-American wars. Connecting the dots, Israel could not exist in the absence of the United States Military and its infinite funding. Israel is a colonial settlement in the tradition of colonialism. America is going to be the last man standing in defense of that wretched six-century-long tradition of exploitation and enslavement. The age of Empire and colonialism is coming to a close. This, more than at any time in history, is an interrelated, interdependent world that thus needs a world system of interdependent interrelated cooperation. An analogy, the schoolyard is uniting against the bully, and the bully is threatening to burn down the schoolhouse. The BRICS federation of nations is now over fifty percent of the world's population, with fifty countries waiting to join. The writing is on the wall, boys and girls, the world is in an evolutionary process. Those who will not change will be dragged along or perish.
What the fuck is a 'legitimate nation'? Who decides that? Get lost until you can make some actual sense.