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Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:06 amyou have to prove that I have ever said any of this.

I already have, twice in fact.

And the rest of the forum is getting wise to your errors, AgeGPT.

So no more deflections, why do you contradict yourself, repeatedly now, about you having NO beliefs, to ONLY ONE belief, to you just recently saying "I've always had NO beliefs".

So what is it??? NO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief, and what's with these mounting contradictions?!

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am So what is it??? NO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief, and what's with these mounting contradictions?!

Me:

Are you saying you don't have beliefs? Can you demonstrate that?

Age:

YES, and YES.

That was here:
viewtopic.php?p=595521#p595521

Thus, ANOTHER REASON WHY I ONLY HAVE and USE One BELIEF ONLY.

from here:
viewtopic.php?p=683791#p683791

There are quite a number of other times he has said both. And/or confirmed both that he doesn't have any beliefs and then that he has one or one true belief or they have capital letters.

Expect some gaslighting, or as Atla would frame it more generously, lying.

Personally I think it would be hilarious to see him try to demonstrate he has no beliefs.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:06 amyou have to prove that I have ever said any of this.

I already have, twice in fact.

And the rest of the forum is getting wise to your errors, AgeGPT.

Only some are getting deceived and falling for your False accusations, beliefs, and claims. your, unconscious, attempts at deceiving others here is only working on some because of their previous beliefs and presumptions, and because you have completely and utterly fooled and deceived "yourself" here. .

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am So no more deflections, why do you contradict yourself, repeatedly now, about you having NO beliefs, to ONLY ONE belief, to you just recently saying "I've always had NO beliefs".

But I have never said this, and the other stuff you say and claim I have, in the way you are presenting them here. Can you still really not see your very own deceptive ways "wizard22".

And, to prove that I have never said what you have here, in the way that you are portraying I have, can be done by just asking 'you' to link 'us' to where, exactly, have I, supposedly, said what you believe and claim I have.

So, once again, when you link us to the exact place, where 'we' can look for "ourselves", and also 'see' in what context what I actually said, was actually said in, and if I then allowed to explain what I actually meant, then 'we' can look at and discuss things here.

Until then your deflection is not working, at all here. Well not to me anyway. It might be, however, on you and maybe one or two others here.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am So what is it??? NO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief, and what's with these mounting contradictions?!

What 'it' is is whatever you want to believe 'it' is "wizard22".

See, no matter what I would say, you would just say, and hang onto, 'But you said the other the other time'.

And, that you are relying your whole belief that 'I' am some so-called 'chat ai program', which you alone have named and labeled "agegpt" here, and had already done before from the very outset of this thread, solely on I have, supposedly, said I have no beliefs but have also said that I actually have one belief (which obviously has been and is being taken out of context here) shows just how simple, quick, and easy 'confirmation bias' happens and occurs. And, how literally nothing can be 'there', but one with belief/s can and will 'see' it. And, not just 'see' it but then believe that that none existent thing actually proves one's pre-existing beleif/s.

you "wizard22" could not be providing a better example, and living proof, of just how Truly distorted and Falsely the human brain, combined with the belief-system, can absolutely skewer itself from what the actual irrefutable Truth is, exactly.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am

I think this is very telling about the mind of Age....
Noticed this in those posts....
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:19 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:08 am
Or, do 'you' NOT have 'confirmation biases' "yourself"?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:19 am
Of course I do, Age.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:08 am
GREAT. THANK 'you' FOR ACKNOWLEDGING 'this ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Fact, and Truth'.

Let's mull this in the context of Age having only one belief or having no beliefs.

If he has one belief, wouldn't this be it.
He is saying it is an ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Fact, and Truth. Does he believe in things that are irrefutable truths? Or not?
If he doesn't, why not? If he does, then he certainly has at least belief and it is about me.
I'm flattered that the only belief that he has is about me, but I find that hard to believe.
If this isn't his one true belief, then he has two, at least.

I mean, the silliness of this guy is extreme.

But perhaps Age is someone who doesn't believe in what he calls Actual and irrefutable facts and truths.
And then I think we are forced to have empathy for such an entity.
It must be so hard even to navigate his own apartment.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:55 am But perhaps Age is someone who doesn't believe in what he calls Actual and irrefutable facts and truths.
And then I think we are forced to have empathy for such an entity.
It must be so hard even to navigate his own apartment.

Its deflections are quite impressive at this point—looks like I need to "prove" myself a third time, *sigh*.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:49 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:29 am I mean, what will prevent you, in the future, from changing your beliefs again?

But I have not changed my beliefs. you really and Truly cannot follow here can your "wizard22"?

I did not have beliefs to be able to change. How could you not have already recognized this Fact?

Besides these here, just not appear somewhat funny, if not hilarious, to you, for you to ask this clarifying question here, which you just did, when it is you said and claimed that it is perfectly normal and acceptable to change your beliefs from one belief to even completely opposing beliefs numerous times even in just one or any of your posts of yours?

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Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:51 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑ He has views that are not beliefs, which also can change.
He has one belief that he refuses to justify. Doesn't---->Can't

I am now starting to wonder if this one is even yet aware of what the one belief I even have is, exactly?

Is this one even aware that absolutely no one has even implied, let alone ever even asked me, to 'justify' my one belief?

And, considering absolutely no one has ever asked me to so 'justify my belief', that this one has concluded that I refuse to justify it is even more absurd and ridiculous.

Another contradiction, AgeGPT...

So what is it, ZERO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief????????????????????????

PROVED a THIRD time!!! Now, explain your "Self".

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:41 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am So what is it??? NO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief, and what's with these mounting contradictions?!

Me:

Are you saying you don't have beliefs? Can you demonstrate that?

Age:

YES, and YES.

That was here:
viewtopic.php?p=595521#p595521

See how easy and simple it is to actually be able to look at, and then discuss, hopefully, what was actually said and written when linked to what was actually said and written.

Now, of course, and obviously when I was asked here whether I am saying I do not have beliefs, and, could I demonstrate this, I answered, YES, and, YES, and in capital letters.

Now, obviously I messed up here. I never even noticed this before nor was it ever made clear to me before, nor even now. But, now that I have some actual thing to look at and see, I am able to now see what I have done here. Which, contrary to popular belief here, by some, this was never an intended lie at all.

I could explain what happened and explain things in far more detail, which would somehow explain how and why I missed this, and obviously messed up here.

But, I am not even going to start doing so unless someone is interested and seeks clarification/s.

Until then I, obviously, totally missed what was actually being asked here, and so obviously messed up in answering here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:41 am

Thus, ANOTHER REASON WHY I ONLY HAVE and USE One BELIEF ONLY.

from here:
viewtopic.php?p=683791#p683791

There are quite a number of other times he has said both.

Saying, 'There are quite a number of other times I have said both', again without linking 'us' to absolutely anything does not provide 'us' with absolutely anything to 'look at', nor discuss here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:41 am And/or confirmed both that he doesn't have any beliefs and then that he has one or one true belief or they have capital letters.

I have already alluded to what has been going on here, to which I will I bring to light later on, if it ever arises again.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:41 am Expect some gaslighting, or as Atla would frame it more generously, lying.

Personally I think it would be hilarious to see him try to demonstrate he has no beliefs.

I could very, very easily demonstrate not having any beliefs, when I did not or do not, but obviously while one is believing one could not demonstrate this, then this one would not be OPEN to seeing nor recognizing 'the demonstration'.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:21 am

I think this is very telling about the mind of Age....
Noticed this in those posts....
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:19 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:08 am
Or, do 'you' NOT have 'confirmation biases' "yourself"?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:19 am
Of course I do, Age.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:08 am
GREAT. THANK 'you' FOR ACKNOWLEDGING 'this ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Fact, and Truth'.

Let's mull this in the context of Age having only one belief or having no beliefs.

Okay, let 'us' mull this in whatever context you are obviously still not yet even clear about. Doing so, when you are not even clear yet, would obviously only cause more conflict and confusion within these people.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am If he has one belief, wouldn't this be it.
He is saying it is an ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Fact, and Truth.

If you say so.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am Does he believe in things that are irrefutable truths? Or not?

This coming from one who believes things are true when it is absolutely clear and obvious to others that it is not true whatsoever at all.

And, asking others, in regards to my own thinking, shows and proves that this one is only searching out and looking for what will back up and support its own pre-existing beliefs and presumptions. Again, just another example of 'confirmation bias' working.

Also, this one's questions here, once again, only allow for two options, only.

Although the True and Right answer is very, very different. But, this one is not looking for the actual True and Right answers. It, again, only seeks out answers that will confirm "itself". Which was just the nature of a non secure one.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am If he doesn't, why not? If he does, then he certainly has at least belief and it is about me.

How this one came to be, supposedly, involved here somehow I am not sure.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am I'm flattered that the only belief that he has is about me, but I find that hard to believe.

These people really are seeing 'things', which do not even exist at all. But, confirmation biases do cause this.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am If this isn't his one true belief, then he has two, at least.

This one has just done what "wizard22" did. If 'this' is, or is not, the case, then what I was previously believing is really true.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:53 am I mean, the silliness of this guy is extreme.

Okay, if you believe so.

But could you be seeing and writing things here, which do not actually even exist, and thus have concluded things, once again, on, literally, nothing at all, but which just happens to 'fit in perfectly or nicely' with your previous pre-existing beliefs or presumptions?

you have already admitted that you do not have 'confirmation biases'. So, maybe you really do believe that this is true, also.

Still waiting AgeGPT... just parse the text and go, I'm getting impatient.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:55 am But perhaps Age is someone who doesn't believe in what he calls Actual and irrefutable facts and truths.

I have already answered and clarified this question for you, last time you asked me.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:55 am And then I think we are forced to have empathy for such an entity.

Here the condescension and superiority complex from and of this one shines again brightly.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:55 am It must be so hard even to navigate his own apartment.

Another conclusion, and confirmation, helped along by its very own previous beliefs and presumptions.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:02 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:55 am But perhaps Age is someone who doesn't believe in what he calls Actual and irrefutable facts and truths.
And then I think we are forced to have empathy for such an entity.
It must be so hard even to navigate his own apartment.

Its deflections are quite impressive at this point—looks like I need to "prove" myself a third time, *sigh*.

The only one you proved "yourself" to here is "yourself" "wizard22".

Absolutely no one else believes that 'I' am an 'ai program' nor 'chatbot'. you are the only one you have proved this to "wizard22".

you may well have tricked, deceived, and fooled some here to start 'doubting' "themselves", but none of them are believing what you obviously are here "Wizard22".

Parse text faster, AgeGPT!

I know you're programmed to respond to every correspondence, and don't skip over, but it's tedious to the OP here!

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:49 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:29 am I mean, what will prevent you, in the future, from changing your beliefs again?

But I have not changed my beliefs. you really and Truly cannot follow here can your "wizard22"?

I did not have beliefs to be able to change. How could you not have already recognized this Fact?

Besides these here, just not appear somewhat funny, if not hilarious, to you, for you to ask this clarifying question here, which you just did, when it is you said and claimed that it is perfectly normal and acceptable to change your beliefs from one belief to even completely opposing beliefs numerous times even in just one or any of your posts of yours?

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Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:51 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑ He has views that are not beliefs, which also can change.
He has one belief that he refuses to justify. Doesn't---->Can't

I am now starting to wonder if this one is even yet aware of what the one belief I even have is, exactly?

Is this one even aware that absolutely no one has even implied, let alone ever even asked me, to 'justify' my one belief?

And, considering absolutely no one has ever asked me to so 'justify my belief', that this one has concluded that I refuse to justify it is even more absurd and ridiculous.

Another contradiction, AgeGPT...

So what is it, ZERO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief????????????????????????

Why are you so desperate to know here "wizard22"?

What would knowing either way do for, and to, you "wizard22"?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:09 am PROVED a THIRD time!!!

This is, exactly, what I have been using this one for to show and prove.

All this one has to say is, 'another contradiction', and, magically, it has proved for a third time, well to "itself" anyway, some yet to be shown contradiction.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:09 am Now, explain your "Self".

But, there is absolutely no contradiction here. Well absolutely none I can see, other than the ones you keep showing and providing here for 'us' "wizard22".

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:50 am Still waiting AgeGPT...

For what?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:50 am just parse the text and go, I'm getting impatient.

Who cares?