Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:44 pm
I don't believe I'm conflating them, I believe they literally are the same thing, the same quantum process.
Are you saying then that interactions are overwriting previous entanglements with new entanglements?
Sure, yes, in a sense. Maybe "in a sense" is overly cautious there, the correct answer might be an entirely unabashed "yes, absolutely", but I'm not quite that confident.
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:44 pm
I don't believe I'm conflating them, I believe they literally are the same thing, the same quantum process.
Are you saying then that interactions are overwriting previous entanglements with new entanglements?
Sure, yes, in a sense. Maybe "in a sense" is overly cautious there, the correct answer might be an entirely unabashed "yes, absolutely", but I'm not quite that confident.
Okay, I don't share that interpretation. I think it's more likely that is just leaks to the environment, the same way it's more likely that entanglement was already there in the environment before we created our entangled pair.
I'm not sure what you mean by "entanglement was already there". Entanglement with what? Entanglement isn't a property a single thing has, engagement is a relationship between things. What relationship between which things was already there?
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:59 pm
I'm not sure what you mean by "entanglement was already there". Entanglement with what? Entanglement isn't a property a single thing has, engagement is a relationship between things. What relationship between which things was already there?
What I mentioned above, that I think universal entanglement makes the most sense. So entanglement can neither actually be created nor destroyed. But we can only "track" entangled particles until we measure them, so it looks like we create entanglement and then we destroy entanglement.
I see, you're saying the universal entanglement is already there.
I'm not really sure how to understand that, unfortunately. I've built up my idea of how entanglement works after reading a few dozen articles and deep diving into a couple of select experiments to try to grasp what's happening. I can't see a way to fit your words here into what I understand of those things, but that's not a criticism of your ideas at all. I just don't get it.
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:33 pm
I don't think I understand what you're saying the two different things are.
By I entanglement I was talking about Einstein's "spooky action at a distance". Say we have two entangled quantum coins that keep spinning. I bring one to the Andromeda galaxy, you keep yours here on Earth. Then in the Andromeda galaxy, I stop mine from spinning and it lands heads. At that exact "moment", yours lands tails. But the transmission I sent you from the Andromeda galaxy about my coin being heads so yours should be tails, will only arrive 2.5 million years later.
I thought the time warp thing was shown to be incorrect though.
I do however want to add that I apologize to Atla and IWP for my behavior before. I was afraid because I had no idea nor did I understand what was going on and I let my fear get the best of me and responded by trying to be controlling and shutting people down.
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 pm
I do however want to add that I apologize to Atla and IWP for my behavior before. I was afraid because I had no idea nor did I understand what was going on and I let my fear get the best of me and responded by trying to be controlling and shutting people down.
I’m sorry.
Wow, thanks. I respect your ability to notice this and talk about it. I mean, I'd almost call it a miracle in philosophical contexts to come across someone who can notice and admit it to others. We all have these patterns and they affect how we post and react to other posts. So kudos to you.
And however much we want to look at Philosophy as some kind of pure intellectual activity, the ideas in philosophy touch very deep places in us and it's natural for strong emotions to be involved.
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 pm
I do however want to add that I apologize to Atla and IWP for my behavior before. I was afraid because I had no idea nor did I understand what was going on and I let my fear get the best of me and responded by trying to be controlling and shutting people down.
I’m sorry.
Okay thanks, apology accepted. QM can be a pretty humbling experience, no one knows what it really means.
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 pm
I do however want to add that I apologize to Atla and IWP for my behavior before. I was afraid because I had no idea nor did I understand what was going on and I let my fear get the best of me and responded by trying to be controlling and shutting people down.
I’m sorry.
Wow, thanks. I respect your ability to notice this and talk about it. I mean, I'd almost call it a miracle in philosophical contexts to come across someone who can notice and admit it to others. We all have these patterns and they affect how we post and react to other posts. So kudos to you.
And however much we want to look at Philosophy as some kind of pure intellectual activity, the ideas in philosophy touch very deep places in us and it's natural for strong emotions to be involved.
It’s just frustrating to read something and not get it and also not be sure if it affects your life in any major way or how you deal with people.
That’s sort of been my history with philosophy, for some reason it just doesn’t penetrate and I feel like I’m missing some massive world secret or doing something wrong and not knowing it.
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 pm
I do however want to add that I apologize to Atla and IWP for my behavior before. I was afraid because I had no idea nor did I understand what was going on and I let my fear get the best of me and responded by trying to be controlling and shutting people down.
I’m sorry.
Okay thanks, apology accepted. QM can be a pretty humbling experience, no one knows what it really means.
That’s what scares me. Seems like every month someone is publishing something crazy about the whole thing and I don’t know enough to know if it’s right.
Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:42 pm
I do however want to add that I apologize to Atla and IWP for my behavior before. I was afraid because I had no idea nor did I understand what was going on and I let my fear get the best of me and responded by trying to be controlling and shutting people down.
I’m sorry.
Okay thanks, apology accepted. QM can be a pretty humbling experience, no one knows what it really means.
That’s what scares me. Seems like every month someone is publishing something crazy about the whole thing and I don’t know enough to know if it’s right.
I don't know if you're familiar with it, but here's some even crazier shit
Maybe parapsychology is onto something even if it's marginal (nowadays?)
Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:01 pm
Okay thanks, apology accepted. QM can be a pretty humbling experience, no one knows what it really means.
That’s what scares me. Seems like every month someone is publishing something crazy about the whole thing and I don’t know enough to know if it’s right.
I don't know if you're familiar with it, but here's some even crazier shit
Maybe parapsychology is onto something even if it's marginal (nowadays?)
That’s what scares me. Seems like every month someone is publishing something crazy about the whole thing and I don’t know enough to know if it’s right.
I don't know if you're familiar with it, but here's some even crazier shit
Maybe parapsychology is onto something even if it's marginal (nowadays?)
I would put it as: we can speed up, slow down or even stop the time evolution of some parts of the universe. (In these experiments, very small parts.)
Those parts of the universe are there, but they don't change, they are "frozen" in time. Or time goes slower for them, so they change more slowly than they should. Or time goes faster for them, so they change faster than they should (quantum anti-zeno effect).
Now according to some views, "conscious attention" could be one form of quantum observation. So maybe some species have biologically evolved to exploit the quantum zeno and anti-zeno effects all the time, to gain an evolutionary advantage over the competition.
Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:56 pm
I don't know if you're familiar with it, but here's some even crazier shit
Maybe parapsychology is onto something even if it's marginal (nowadays?)
I would put it as: we can speed up, slow down or even stop the time evolution of some parts of the universe. (In these experiments, very small parts.)
Those parts of the universe are there, but they don't change, they are "frozen" in time. Or time goes slower for them, so they change more slowly than they should. Or time goes faster for them, so they change faster than they should (quantum anti-zeno effect).
Now according to some views, "conscious attention" could be one form of quantum observation. So maybe some species have biologically evolved to exploit the quantum zeno and anti-zeno effects all the time, to gain an evolutionary advantage over the competition.
The sounds like the movie The Beach. But if time moves slower or faster in some places that seems cool rather than scary.