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Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:51 pm
by attofishpi
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:49 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:48 pm
..Ah!! U R back to wanting to redefine accepted words within the English language to suit your alternate view of "REALITY"
Nothing like that.
"Gravity" is a thought-terminating cliche.
When I ask you "Why do apples fall from trees?" the answer to such a "Why?" question is "gravity."
If it turns out that it's the latter; that there's some theory which explains why things fall better than the current gravitational theories we have then gravity is scientifically falsified and it ceases to exist.
..Y have you come across something better than at least Newtons equations to describe 'gravity'?
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:53 pm
by Will Bouwman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:45 pmIs it gravity that's causing the attraction or is there some other explanation? Whatever the answer - it's a metaphysical theory.
No it isn't. Gravity
is the attraction between objects.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:53 pm
by Skepdick
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:51 pm
..Y have you come across something better than at least Newtons equations to describe 'gravity'?
Haven't you? Einstein's description is better.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pm
by Skepdick
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:45 pmIs it gravity that's causing the attraction or is there some other explanation? Whatever the answer - it's a metaphysical theory.
No it isn't. Gravity
is the attraction between objects.
No it isn't. The attraction between objects is the attraction between objects.
Gravity is the
THEORY accounting for it.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:58 pm
by attofishpi
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:45 pmIs it gravity that's causing the attraction or is there some other explanation? Whatever the answer - it's a metaphysical theory.
No it isn't. Gravity
is the attraction between objects.
No it isn't. The attraction between objects is the attraction between objects.
Gravity is the
THEORY accounting for it.
U JUST WANT ANOTHER WORD FOR IT! =attraction equals WOT? - we call it GRAVITY
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:59 pm
by Will Bouwman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pmNo it isn't. The attraction between objects is the attraction between objects.
Gravity is the
THEORY accounting for it.
No. Gravity is the name we give to the attraction between objects. There are different stories/theories that account for that attraction.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:00 pm
by Skepdick
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:58 pm
U JUST WANT ANOTHER WORD FOR IT!
No, I don't. I am pointing the possibility of an alternative explanation/theory.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:58 pm
=attraction equals WOT?
Attraction equals attraction.
The THEORY explaining the attraction is the THEORY explaining the attraction.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
by Skepdick
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:59 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pmNo it isn't. The attraction between objects is the attraction between objects.
Gravity is the
THEORY accounting for it.
No. Gravity is the name we give to the attraction between objects. There are different stories/theories that account for that attraction.
Bullshit. It's the answer to a "Why?" question.
Why do objects with mass attract each other? Gravity.
If we find a better theory/story the answer changes.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:04 pm
by attofishpi
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:59 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pmNo it isn't. The attraction between objects is the attraction between objects.
Gravity is the
THEORY accounting for it.
No. Gravity is the name we give to the attraction between objects. There are different stories/theories that account for that attraction.
Bullshit. It's the answer to a "Why?" question.
Why do objects with mass attract each other? Gravity.
If we find a better theory/story the answer changes.
Only the equations change - I'd be very surprised if the term GRAVITY changed - for mass curving towards mass.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:10 pm
by Skepdick
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:04 pm
Only the equations change - I'd be very surprised if the term GRAVITY changed - for mass curving towards mass.
The term. Lol.
terminology noun the body of terms used with a particular technical application in a subject of study, profession, etc.
If the theory/terminology changes - the answer changes.
Whether society will accept it - who cares? The thinking already has.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:12 pm
by attofishpi
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:10 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:04 pm
Only the equations change - I'd be very surprised if the term GRAVITY changed - for mass curving towards mass.
The term. Lol.
terminology noun the body of terms used with a particular technical application in a subject of study, profession, etc.
If the theory/terminology changes - the answer changes.
Whether society will accept it - who cares? The thinking already has.
..maybe in Zimbabwe.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:24 pm
by Will Bouwman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:59 pm Gravity is the name we give to the attraction between objects. There are different stories/theories that account for that attraction.
Bullshit. It's the answer to a "Why?" question.
Why do objects with mass attract each other? Gravity.
So what is gravity?
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:26 pm
by Skepdick
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:24 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:59 pm Gravity is the name we give to the attraction between objects. There are different stories/theories that account for that attraction.
Bullshit. It's the answer to a "Why?" question.
Why do objects with mass attract each other? Gravity.
So what is gravity?
A thought-terminating cliche.
The answer to the question "Why do objects with mass attract each other?" which makes you go "Oh! OK."...
The shortest response which makes you stop asking questions.
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:29 pm
by Will Bouwman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:26 pm
A thought-terminating cliche.
The answer to the question "Why do objects with mass attract each other?" which makes you go "Oh! OK."...
The shortest response which makes you stop asking questions.
That's instrumentalism for you. Much better to keep asking philosophical questions like 'What causes gravity?'
Re: Philosophy undermines truth
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:30 pm
by Skepdick
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:29 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:26 pm
A thought-terminating cliche.
The answer to the question "Why do objects with mass attract each other?" which makes you go "Oh! OK."...
The shortest response which makes you stop asking questions.
That's instrumentalism for you. Much better to keep asking philosophical questions like 'What causes gravity?'
Yeah... What causes objets with mass to attract each other?
The curvature of spacetime causes it.
That's the least underdetermined story so far.