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"But why the Left wants to surrender its brain to Big Government, Big Business and Bid Media, I can't really say."

you can't really say because it's a non-question. the genuine left wouldn't be classified as democratic nanny-state capitalists charading as socialists. this is where you're always confused. hunting snipes, as it were. american Democrats are rarely opposed to regulated free market economies and capitalism in general. genuine socialism, the Marxist/Leninist stuff, is about the absolute attempt to abolish that capitalist economy and corporatize the ownership of all modes of production.

if a standing government were ever to repeal private business rights and laws, redistribute all seized assets among the employees and set up democratically run American style digital soviet syndicalisms that would govern the procedural decisions made by that particular group of producers, you might could call it a genuine Marxist-Leninist event.

bit this 'namby pamby Democratic socialism stuff' (your homegirl RL) is not  the real deal, bruh. you keep shooting at snipes and i gotta watch you do it. it's excruciating.

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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:18 pmwhat sort of special threat, more than any candidate before him, allegedly, Trump represents to that remains obscure to me.

That's why I asked.

If you had made it to the end of my last post, you would have an idea about what some Democrats dislike about Trump's policies:

tillingborn wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:05 amSome of those; tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, removal of health care programmes, are the sort of things that democrats dislike about most conservatives. Republicans know those policies will never win them the popular vote so the gerrymander districts and introduce 'voter integrity' regulations which, while they might make it difficult for ineligible people to vote, they also make it difficult for legitimate voters, particularly in areas where people are more inclined to vote Democratic. Trump not only is the figurehead for what Democrats are more likely call voter suppression rather than integrity, he also took it a step further and asked a secretary of state to "find 11 780 votes" to overturn election results. When that failed he endorsed a plan to send fake electors to Washington, and when that failed he drew his supporters to a rally where he encouraged them to march on the capitol and "fight like hell". Whatever your opinion of that may be, you should at least acknowledge that there is more to judge about Trump than just the allegations about him.

tillingborn wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:06 pm If you had made it to the end of my last post, you would have an idea about what some Democrats dislike about Trump's policies:

I made it. I just found the explanation implausible. As commonsense has earlier said (or maybe it was mcthinks? No, commonsense, as I recall...) this is an irrational thing, not a policy thing. All of Trump's policies turn out to be much better than those of the Dems. Nobody could possibly make the case that the Biden administration has been anything less than a disaster. Even the Dems don't want to own the old coot anymore. Most of them won't promise he'll even run in the next election...and they all desperately hope they can find a way to prevent him doing so. He's just that bad.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:36 pm

tillingborn wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:06 pm If you had made it to the end of my last post, you would have an idea about what some Democrats dislike about Trump's policies:

I made it. I just found the explanation implausible. As commonsense has earlier said (or maybe it was mcthinks? No, commonsense, as I recall...) this is an irrational thing, not a policy thing. All of Trump's policies turn out to be much better than those of the Dems. Nobody could possibly make the case that the Biden administration has been anything less than a disaster. Even the Dems don't want to own the old coot anymore. Most of them won't promise he'll even run in the next election...and they all desperately hope they can find a way to prevent him doing so. He's just that bad.

But Trump brought and stored nuclear secrets under his restaurant. Nuclear stuff!

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:57 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:05 pm You say if the FBI can investigate anyone, then anyone cannot be president. Therefore Walker should resign from the Forum.

Would they bother with a backwater (2a) website?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... erals-to-/

Is there anything that bothers you about the logic per se?

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:30 pm But Trump brought and stored nuclear secrets under his restaurant. Nuclear stuff!

Proof? Or are you just taking a media report, and assuming the legacy media always tell the truth to you?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:09 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:47 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:37 pm

I don't argue whether Trump is this or that. I'm not one of his groupies. If they want to say, "He's as bad as Biden," I have nothing much to say about that. Clinton's clearly worse. Biden's at least as bad, and plausibly much worse, though in somewhat different ways. And since the Left claims it's so high minded about what it alleges about Trump, I can't explain why they aren't similarly high minded about Biden or Clinton.

I could imagine that is was simple partisanship: they just don't like Republicans. Except, that explanation doesn't work, either. Because they aren't equally wound up about Bush or Reagan, or even about other Repubs in general. But for some reason, Trump seems to get under their skin much more than any before him -- and while they claim their objections to him are that he's immoral in some way, they have no similar concerns about Biden or Clinton. So that's not it...they're obviously neither high minded nor concerned about morality, nor even being merely partisan.

So I'm looking for the real answer. The only problem seems to be that the Dems are so deep in whatever dark space they're in, they're not even able to explain themselves.

Motivation for Tara to tell the truth includes a desire to be seen as someone who is very brave to come forward with the lurid details.

Yes, women just love to tell people they were cornered and digitally raped by old men. It really raises their "street cred."

Are you nuts?

Motivation to lie encompasses fame and money.

So now you want us to say that Tara Reade did it to get rich and famous? How do you assess that is working out?

But IC is right: everyone has a right to have an opinion, whether based on reason or not. Even so, he repeatedly asks the same thing: why do you hate Trump and why would you rather vote for Biden?

So, where's my answer?

PLEASE DO NOT MISQUOTE.

If your comment is directed at me, please note that I didn’t use quotation marks. Rather I was making an editorialized and broadly paraphrased note.

For what it's worth, I think the topic of the thread is not what is being discussed. The topic of the thread has to do with seeing someone in binary terms, in this case Trump. Does the mainstream media focus only on the negative with Trump?
One could hate Trump, and I do, and at the same time acknowledge that the media went out of its way to find/paint anything he did as negative and ignored things that were positive or neutral or it was unclear. And I think that is the case.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:38 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:14 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:48 pm

This is about your derangement syndrome. If you want to talk about Biden - start a new thread.

The gullibility that is satirically presented in the link is an element of TDS, thus relevant, as painful as that must be for you to face.

Are you still going to vote for Sir Donald if he runs for Pres?

- Trump exposed the underbelly of the deep-state-trough-feeders for all but the blind to see.
- Trump paved the way for DeSantis, governor of Florida, to be president.
- DeSantis has always been two steps ahead of the propaganda curve.
- DeSantis is young, book smart, street smart, and politically smart.
- DeSantis is relatively small potatoes as a governor, so he’s more vulnerable than a president.
- He is effective in his job, has effectively met challenges that have stymied other governors.
- Because of Trump, DeSantis could be an effective president. He knows the evil ways of the Left, whereas Trump walked into a buzzsaw of treachery and learned on the job.
- As governor, DeSantis heads Florida’s state executive branch. Heading the federal executive branch as president would be an easy step.
- Although the Left has tried it has yet to touch DeSantis, however, he hasn’t been exposed to the full assault of lies and attacks from all sides suffered by Trump on behalf of the country, even from his own cabinet.
- So, even though he is a good executive he has not received the full measure of lying hate campaigns that is characteristic of TDS, which aims to make a person outside of The Party a piñata representing the country.
- Like the variants of Covid-19, when Trump fades from the political scene, TDS will become DDS (DeSantis Derangement Syndrome).
- The Party will use the current hurricane that is blasting Florida for political fodder to attack DeSantis. It will do so through the bullshit Climate Change meme.
- The TDS deranged Biden administration may even deny federal help to Florida in one way or another.
- If DeSantis is not the candidate for 2024, then Trump is still the man, even as old as he will be. He is healthy as a horse and equally important, is the best golfer in the history of all the presidents. I bet he can shoot a score to match his age, and that’s the holy grail of the sport.

https://thebluestateconservative.com/20 ... icane-ian/

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:42 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:09 am
PLEASE DO NOT MISQUOTE.

If your comment is directed at me, please note that I didn’t use quotation marks. Rather I was making an editorialized and broadly paraphrased note.

Clearly I was responding to IC.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm For what it's worth, I think the topic of the thread is not what is being discussed. The topic of the thread has to do with seeing someone in binary terms, in this case Trump. Does the mainstream media focus only on the negative with Trump?
One could hate Trump, and I do, and at the same time acknowledge that the media went out of its way to find/paint anything he did as negative and ignored things that were positive or neutral or it was unclear. And I think that is the case.

That is not really true.
Trump enjoyed the support of a large section of the media.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:54 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:38 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:14 pm
The gullibility that is satirically presented in the link is an element of TDS, thus relevant, as painful as that must be for you to face.

Are you still going to vote for Sir Donald if he runs for Pres?

- Trump exposed the underbelly of the deep-state-trough-feeders for all but the blind to see.

That's funny.
Trump was the deep state underbelly; corrupt and self absorbed.

- Trump paved the way for DeSantis, governor of Florida, to be president.

God help the USA

- DeSantis has always been two steps ahead of the propaganda curve.

People who generate lies and propaganda always are. Goebells was the best example

- DeSantis is young, book smart, street smart, and politically smart.
- DeSantis is relatively small potatoes as a governor, so he’s more vulnerable than a president.

Ready to self serve at the expense of the many

- He is effective in his job, has effectively met challenges that have stymied other governors.
- Because of Trump, DeSantis could be an effective president. He knows the evil ways of the Left, whereas Trump walked into a buzzsaw of treachery and learned on the job.

Trump operated the buzzsaw and like the fuckwit lumberjack on moonshine fell on his own saw.
His missing limbs are self inflicted.

- As governor, DeS......VOMIT

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:54 pm - DeSantis has always been two steps ahead of the propaganda curve.
- DeSantis is young, book smart, street smart, and politically smart.
- DeSantis is relatively small potatoes as a governor, so he’s more vulnerable than a president.
- He is effective in his job, has effectively met challenges that have stymied other governors.
- Because of Trump, DeSantis could be an effective president. He knows the evil ways of the Left, whereas Trump walked into a buzzsaw of treachery and learned on the job.
- As governor, DeSantis heads Florida’s state executive branch. Heading the federal executive branch as president would be an easy step.
- Although the Left has tried it has yet to touch DeSantis, however, he hasn’t been exposed to the full assault of lies and attacks from all sides suffered by Trump on behalf of the country, even from his own cabinet.
- So, even though he is a good executive he has not received the full measure of lying hate campaigns that is characteristic of TDS, which aims to make a person outside of The Party a piñata representing the country.
- Like the variants of Covid-19, when Trump fades from the political scene, TDS will become DDS (DeSantis Derangement Syndrome).
- The Party will use the current hurricane that is blasting Florida for political fodder to attack DeSantis. It will do so through the bullshit Climate Change meme.
- The TDS deranged Biden administration may even deny federal help to Florida in one way or another.
- If DeSantis is not the candidate for 2024, then Trump is still the man, even as old as he will be. He is healthy as a horse and equally important, is the best golfer in the history of all the presidents. I bet he can shoot a score to match his age, and that’s the holy grail of the sport.

https://thebluestateconservative.com/20 ... icane-ian/

THIS IS FOR YOU
It seems, looking through the posts here that the highest form of derangement, is the delusion that the thread has nothing to do with Trump.
The highest form of Trump Derangement Syndrome is exhibited in a trope which suggest that Biden is not a very good person. THis rope collects a series of disinformed rumours, half truths, and innuendos concerning another person entirely and makes no reference at all to Trump.

There can be no finer and more absolute form of TDS than a person completely incapable of even considering looking into the myriad failings of Donald Trump.

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:51 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:58 pm For what it's worth, I think the topic of the thread is not what is being discussed. The topic of the thread has to do with seeing someone in binary terms, in this case Trump. Does the mainstream media focus only on the negative with Trump?
One could hate Trump, and I do, and at the same time acknowledge that the media went out of its way to find/paint anything he did as negative and ignored things that were positive or neutral or it was unclear. And I think that is the case.

That is not really true.
Trump enjoyed the support of a large section of the media.

Actually even Fox news hated him for quite a long time. In the US everything he did was painted negatively. And things that even lefties should have liked (like his position against a kind of NAFTA with Europe) were almost never mentioned. I don't know what it was like internationally, but in the US most media were all over anything and painting it negatively. And, look, I think he offered a lot for them to be negative about. But they were not at all neutral. And they do not put the same effort into looking at Biden. I mean, look at the way Biden's son's shit was handled by the mainsream media. They are not wrong, there is a liberal (US version of that word) bias in the media. The media couldn't be bothered to look at the way Sanders was handled by Clinton and the Democratic party. They thought Clinton had a better chance, so they ignored it. And they also didn't want any big criticism of the liberal candidate and the liberal party.

And of course this only opens the door for what they think they are fighting.

It might also be more correct to say their is a bias towards the elite. But the correct elite. Not a real estate billionaire - who has some understanding that we need production and labor - but the people directly beholden to Wall st. and the financial industry game players. Bush and Clinton and even Obama kissing their asses. And when the big players want war, you'd better produce. The one thing I liked about Trump was he was more isolationist than hawk Clinton. And trust me, they damn well know it'd be harder to block a war coming from a 'liberal' woman president than from a republican.