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Walker is right it’s pointless to speak of Nonduality

The Tao that can be spoken of is not the Tao.

And is why Roy does not want to get caught up in the delusion of maya.

Wise man.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:33 pm Walker is right it’s pointless to speak of Nonduality

I wonder why you spend so much time speaking of it then.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:47 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:32 amThere is no conclusion. The future is open.

No, this is an error of thinking, it's wrong...the future does not exist, neither does the past...it is You that is open. You that is thought-free awareness...right here, right now...You have never moved. You are so open you are infinity itself, everywhere and everything, all at once.

Conclusions are within the dream story of philosophical mind.. which is delusion.

That's right, the future doesn't exist, it's open. The past is done, it's history. No, I'm not thought-free, nor do I wanna be: bein' a house plant is not my idea of a good time. The rest of your post is faux-zen hooey.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:37 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:33 pm Walker is right it’s pointless to speak of Nonduality

I wonder why you spend so much time speaking of it then.

Because that’s just what’s happening….flowing in the freedom of every new moment. It’s the pointless point of life.

It’s a game of hide and seek with itself, it splits in two, just to want to come together again… to find itself, is to end the game.

The end of knowledge…until you decide you want to play the game again…if you know all the cheat codes to the game, the game would be boring. You wouldn’t want to play it again…that’s why it will always be as if you are playing the game for the very first time. Which you are.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:05 pm There is no such reality as duality, except in the artificial dream of separtion where there is none.

Sigh. I never said there was a reaity as duality. I was responding to Ryle's clearly dualistic thinking.

No one knows this. The only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Oh come on. You sure tell us regularly, for example, what is going on in Roy's mind. You made statements here ablve.

You are confused about my state of mind. I abide in bliss, whether you want to believe it or not. I do not care. I've already explained to you the difference of attachment to suffering and acceptance of suffering.

Which you also did before another time and I said I understood.

To be honest, you are all in your head, whereas Roy is not in his head...and I resonate with Roy, because I understand the no head way.

LOL

Nothing personal. To be fair, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about half the time.

I see that, but it doesn't stop you labeling it and negatively.

I don't think you understand what non-dualism is or what being in your head is.

And if, one day, your suffering gets too intense, wherever you are alone, I hope you will be kind and let yourself try to be social again. As you said, you haven't been lucky enough to meet a Roy. All the longing in that should not be forced to be alone out of some ideal in your head.

I know this means little to you now, but perhaps one day.

Good luck.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:35 pm It seems to me that our tendency to categorise and neatly label everything can get in the way of seeing clearly. I mean, if you say you are a dualist, or non-dualist, then you have already put limitations on yourself before you even start to think about anything.

It seems to me like a way of playing about with words until you have conditioned yourself into a certain way of thinking. Maybe that does have a benefit, but I can't see what the benefit might be.

You are definitely right!

On the other hand, being non-dualist is only an aspiration, a hope, perhaps that is realized for a short moment, but nothing that can be maintained and explained.

Because our reality is dual.
It is not possible to get out of dualism.
One can only hint at non-dualism, but never really be.

Why then hypothesize this unthinkable non-duality?

In my opinion, the reason is above all ethical.
It is the evil that is in the world, that is in me, the evil that I am !, that drives me to search for the Truth.
And in this research appears the idea that duality is not true...

In my opinion, non-dualism differs from monism not in substance, but in approach.

Inasmuch as monism favors the positive aspect: the One that imposes itself as the only reality.

While non-dualism uses negation: it denies separation.

I believe that non-dualism is more easily understood through love.
It is the Good that eliminates all separation.

Monism, on the other hand, remains more abstract, more speculation is needed.
That is, to consider the limits of rational understanding.
For example wondering where else the universe could be if not nowhere.
And if it is in the nothing...
In fact, the One concides with the Nothing.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:49 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:47 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:32 amThere is no conclusion. The future is open.

No, this is an error of thinking, it's wrong...the future does not exist, neither does the past...it is You that is open. You that is thought-free awareness...right here, right now...You have never moved. You are so open you are infinity itself, everywhere and everything, all at once.

Conclusions are within the dream story of philosophical mind.. which is delusion.

That's right, the future doesn't exist, it's open. The past is done, it's history. No, I'm not thought-free, nor do I wanna be: bein' a house plant is not my idea of a good time. The rest of your post is faux-zen hooey.

Wrong I
There is no you to be thought free….
The rest of your post is delusional

There is no you to be thought free….

I'm right here, DAM.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:51 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:05 pm There is no such reality as duality, except in the artificial dream of separtion where there is none.

Sigh. I never said there was a reaity as duality. I was responding to Ryle's clearly dualistic thinking.

No one knows this. The only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Oh come on. You sure tell us regularly, for example, what is going on in Roy's mind. You made statements here ablve.

You are confused about my state of mind. I abide in bliss, whether you want to believe it or not. I do not care. I've already explained to you the difference of attachment to suffering and acceptance of suffering.

Which you also did before another time and I said I understood.

To be honest, you are all in your head, whereas Roy is not in his head...and I resonate with Roy, because I understand the no head way.

LOL

Nothing personal. To be fair, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about half the time.

I see that, but it doesn't stop you labeling it and negatively.

I don't think you understand what non-dualism is or what being in your head is.

And if, one day, your suffering gets too intense, wherever you are alone, I hope you will be kind and let yourself try to be social again. As you said, you haven't been lucky enough to meet a Roy. All the longing in that should not be forced to be alone out of some ideal in your head.

I know this means little to you now, but perhaps one day.

Good luck.

Please just shut the fuck up, you have no idea what I know to understand. Or how I think, or how and why I choose to live my life the way I do.

You are trying to analyse everything you think you know about me when you know absolutely nothing about me or what’s in my mind and why…whatsoever.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:53 pm

There is no you to be thought free….

I'm right here, DAM.

That’s a thought…not you.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:58 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:53 pm

There is no you to be thought free….

I'm right here, DAM.

That’s a thought…not you.

No, DAM, it's me, flesh, blood, bone, and mind, a person, a free will, tellin' you I am.

These people benefitting from thought-free blisfulness sure seem to be pissy, resentful and insecure.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:00 pm These people benefitting from thought-free blisfulness sure seem to be pissy, resentful and insecure.

Yep.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:51 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:05 pm There is no such reality as duality, except in the artificial dream of separtion where there is none.

Sigh. I never said there was a reaity as duality. I was responding to Ryle's clearly dualistic thinking.

No one knows this. The only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Oh come on. You sure tell us regularly, for example, what is going on in Roy's mind. You made statements here ablve.

You are confused about my state of mind. I abide in bliss, whether you want to believe it or not. I do not care. I've already explained to you the difference of attachment to suffering and acceptance of suffering.

Which you also did before another time and I said I understood.

To be honest, you are all in your head, whereas Roy is not in his head...and I resonate with Roy, because I understand the no head way.

LOL

Nothing personal. To be fair, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about half the time.

I see that, but it doesn't stop you labeling it and negatively.

I don't think you understand what non-dualism is or what being in your head is.

And if, one day, your suffering gets too intense, wherever you are alone, I hope you will be kind and let yourself try to be social again. As you said, you haven't been lucky enough to meet a Roy. All the longing in that should not be forced to be alone out of some ideal in your head.

I know this means little to you now, but perhaps one day.

Good luck.

Using the words …forced to be alone for not having my longing fulfilled…is way off the mark of …you are absolutely clueless….and I’m afraid that’s where you and I will part company now…I’m simply done with you.

You have it all wrong with me. And I simply don’t care anymore.