Who Really is an Atheist?

[Walker]

Add no accuracy to the litany of no.

Just energetic little attempts to rub out.

[sthitapragya]

Add no accuracy to the litany of no.

Just energetic little attempts to rub out.

Does your family have an interpreter just for you?

[Nick_A]

So after the smoke has cleaed, one thing remains obvious. Atheism is a term that denies a word rather than an idea since the idea is too broad to deny. As has been demonstrated on this thread, atheism is denying the idolatry of the personal god. Yet the potential for the transcendent god and the source of creation beyond the limitations of time and space is impossible to deny since by definition it is beyond the limitations of the literal mind. The presence of the transcendent source can only be felt by the very depth of human being.

Only residents of Plato's cave could have so many disputes even leading to killings over idolatry or man made gods. Yet the truth of the matter is beyond man made idolatry.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

I can help him on this one. This idiotic battle over idolatry proves the latter.

[uwot]

Yet the potential for the transcendent god and the source of creation beyond the limitations of time and space is impossible to deny since by definition it is beyond the limitations of the literal mind.

Must have missed it. Who is actually denying that potential?

[Hobbes' Choice]

So after the smoke has cleaed, one thing remains obvious. Atheism is a term that denies a word rather than an idea since the idea is too broad to deny..

Nope. I'll show you how any idea of God that you have is not acceptable for entry to my bank of knowledge. As for belief - I will have none.

[Hobbes' Choice]

So after the smoke has cleared,.

I can still see smoke coming out of your ears.

[sthitapragya]

So after the smoke has cleaed, one thing remains obvious. Atheism is a term that denies a word rather than an idea since the idea is too broad to deny. As has been demonstrated on this thread, atheism is denying the idolatry of the personal god. Yet the potential for the transcendent god and the source of creation beyond the limitations of time and space is impossible to deny since by definition it is beyond the limitations of the literal mind. The presence of the transcendent source can only be felt by the very depth of human being.

Only residents of Plato's cave could have so many disputes even leading to killings over idolatry or man made gods. Yet the truth of the matter is beyond man made idolatry.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

I can help him on this one. This idiotic battle over idolatry proves the latter.

You have to be a world record holding idiot. It does not matter how impossible it is for your minute brain to deny the freaking transcendent god. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIM, YOU CRETIN. TO US YOUR FREAKING TRANSCENDENT GOD AND SANTA ARE THE SAME. THEY EXIST ONLY IN YOUR DELUDED MIND.

You can argue whether you are right or we are right. It does not matter. We do not believe in him. We don't even deny his freaking existence. We just don't believe in him. How hard is this to understand? Is this quantum mechanics?

Do you go around denying the existence of santa? You don't. You just don't believe in him. Similarly we don't believe in your transcendent god.

The only thing that is obvious is that you are the dumbest idiot I have ever come across in my entire life. And I live in India. That is saying something.

In fact, i will go so far as to say that your existence is proof that a transcendent god does not exist. Even he could not screw up enough to make you.

[Nick_A]

sthit, you allow yourself only two options: belief and denial. You have no idea what it means to have an open mind not lessened by belief or denial. You allow only these two options and openly condemn the open mind and heart. It is your way. Just don't inflict this condition on the young if you are capable of any compassion.

[sthitapragya]

sthit, you allow yourself only two options: belief and denial. You have no idea what it means to have an open mind not lessened by belief or denial. You allow only these two options and openly condemn the open mind and heart. It is your way. Just don't inflict this condition on the young if you are capable of any compassion.

It does not matter. You might be right. I might be wrong. But to me your God and santa are the same. I don't care that my mind is closed. I don't condemn anything. And I don't care about your young. My kids are fine. But you need to stop trying to tell us what we believe. We believe you are an idiot to believe in God at your age. It is like a 15 year old believing in santa. Grow up. And next time, start a thread called who really is a theist. I Won't even say a word there. You are a theist. You know how theists think. So talk about that. You are NOT an atheist. You have no idea how we think.

[FlashDangerpants]

sthit, you allow yourself only two options: belief and denial.

Oh dear, are you trying to apply the law of the excluded middle now? Let's skip the blatant hypocrisy of that because I can't be bothered explaining what constitutes a legitimate ad-hominem argument in a zone where so many cannot distinguish ad-homs from "areseholes" at all.

Anyways. You got it wrong again. It doesn't apply here. Shtit has correctly stated that lack of belief is not active denial. You cannot simply demand that he is either saying there must be a god or he is saying there must be no god when he is simply saying he does not believe there is a god.

Or, if you want to retain the dualiy, you can have belief and not belief. But that requires you to concede the same point anyway.

[Nick_A]

If an atheist is defined as one who doesn't believe in God, there is no difference between the atheist and agnostic. This is a standard definition of an atheist:

"a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."

How can a person disbelieve without denying?

So a person could disbelieve idolatry and have an open mind concerning the transcendent God. A person who emotionally denies the idea of God IMO is a blind denier simply because the idea is too broad to intellectually believe or deny. A person needs an open mind and heart which is increasingly rare in a world where attention span has become so diminished.

[sthitapragya]

If an atheist is defined as one who doesn't believe in God, there is no difference between the atheist and agnostic. This is a standard definition of an atheist:

"a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."

How can a person disbelieve without denying?

So a person could disbelieve idolatry and have an open mind concerning the transcendent God. A person who emotionally denies the idea of God IMO is a blind denier simply because the idea is too broad to intellectually believe or deny. A person needs an open mind and heart which is increasingly rare in a world where attention span has become so diminished.

Do you deny the existence of santa? But you still disbelieve, don't you? I

The concept of God is too broad to you. To us, it is simple.god is a creation of man, the complexity of God is a means to keep you from ever understanding that God is a sham created by organised religion to control you. And it is working.

[FlashDangerpants]

If an atheist is defined as one who doesn't believe in God, there is no difference between the atheist and agnostic. This is a standard definition of an atheist:

"a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."

How can a person disbelieve without denying?

What happened to that open mind of yours?

Frame the question one way, I am an atheist, frame it another I am agnostic.
Ask: Can you prove there is no God? I become agnostic.
Ask: Do you believe there is a God? I am an atheist.
Try it with: Are you sure there is no God? My answer is "pretty sure, yeah, more or less certain really".

Does this bring an end to your silly attempt to railroad us all into an easily contained sect?
We've all (or nearly all) conceded that we may be wrong - and pointed out that this isn't a problem when discussing what you believe to be true.

[sthitapragya]

And what open mind are you talking about? The Christian open mind? Hindu open mind? Sikh open mind? Buddhist open mind? Islamic open mind? Which of these God's do you want us to keep an open mind about? Or is there a god beyond all these? Is he different? If so? What are Al these religions? Are they a farce? If they are a farce and your God is derived from these books, then how do you verify he is the true God?

Also what happens if you believe in God? What changes? Do you catch fewer colds? Do you get more promotions? Does all whisky turn to aged single malt? Do women find you more attractive? Are jobs easier to get? Does the belief work like a vest and keep bullets away? Does cancer hurt less? Are you happier? Do you love everyone? Do you see God in everyone, including atheists? Do you feel less frustrated? Are you more content? Do you have more power to change the world? What in blazes changes??????.

[Walker]

If an atheist is defined as one who doesn't believe in God, there is no difference between the atheist and agnostic. This is a standard definition of an atheist:

"a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."

How can a person disbelieve without denying?

So a person could disbelieve idolatry and have an open mind concerning the transcendent God. A person who emotionally denies the idea of God IMO is a blind denier simply because the idea is too broad to intellectually believe or deny. A person needs an open mind and heart which is increasingly rare in a world where attention span has become so diminished.

The idol of atheism is thought.

Atheists worship concepts.

The atheist cannot conceive of God, and so says there is no God.

The atheist cannot conceive of nothing, and so cannot worship that.

What a pickle.


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Have you noticed this?

Some atheists claim that atheists are not the same, thus laying claim to individualistic thinking.

Simultaneously, the same silliness hides behind the tribe by referencing atheists as, “we.”

It’s like a horse tripping over its own hooves right out of the gate. You can keep attention on its progress but really, why bother.