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The Voice of Time wrote:

Kelly wrote:Consciousness and knowledge are one and the same mental condition.

bullocks.

Knowledge is the finery of memory accumulated in acquainting phenomena. However, phenomena does not have to be conscious phenomena, or even subconscious. Phenomena can be things you don't know that you know and so somebody else has to tell you it and you'll have no idea how you know it, you just know it. Doesn't seem very "conscious" to me, and you can act on such knowledge with out knowing about it. You can do something, completely spontaneously, and have no idea where it came from, the initiative in you to do it, and yet it can be perceived as an intelligent act, people may question if you haven't planned it... how you explain that?

Whatever happened to miss-firing of neurons? Creativity FTW!

The Voice of Time wrote:well if I want to call things castrated bulls, or just a young bull, I can do that if I want to!

True. But I thought you meant bollocks. You in fact did , did you not?

I'm probably not gonna learn from that. I'm too into saying bullocks... but maybe, just maybe I remember to say bollocks next time, although that sounds... not so cool :/


I was not pulling your plonker. When you say bullocks in place of bollocks, it does not sound 'cool' but makes me laugh

Anyways... what he said was just so castrated bulls...

Kelly wrote:This so- called problem exist because philosophers have never understood the nature of knowledge.

For this we have epistemology. I'd say that philosophers more than any other type of scholar have thought more about the nature of knowledge.

Consciousness and knowledge are one and the same mental condition.

It's clear you have not really thought about this in any serious way. Most of our knowledge is tacit, we are not conscious of it.
I have no idea how my body manages to do all the calculations necessary to do the simplest thing like catching a ball, or playing the drums even though I've made conscious efforts to learn those things.


When our mind is exposed, through our senses, to physical things and conditions e.g. heat, cold, wind, color, est., what registers in memory are the attributes that equate to the existence of the physical thing or the condition our mind is being exposed to. How we each react and our ability to describe the experience of this exposure will be different. What is not different, in a philosophical sense, is the consciousness of every person is a construct of the attributes we remember that equate to the existence of things and conditions. There are no hard problems in all of Philosophy. There are hard headed philosophers who have failed to recognize the philosophical understanding of consciousness/knowledge is grounded in understanding the nature of existence of the things and conditions we are conscious of.

wleg wrote:Kelly,

It appears you have no competition. I am sending you the money as I believe your argument is ironclad. I ask you though to restate your argument from the beginning of the logic that supports a realistic understanding of the nature of consciousness. Do this and Project Logic will offer fifty dollars ($50) to the person who can refute it.

Wayne Leggette Sr.

wleg wrote:Thanks Kelly,

The Project believes your argument to be irrefutable. It is just one argument in a chain of logical arguments necessary to construct logical Philosophical Knowledge but it is the one argument that makes the others possible.

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Project Logic will pay one hundred dollars ($100) for an argument that establishes logic more useful to construct logical Philosophy than Kelly’s’ argument.

Wayne Leggette Sr.

chaz wyman wrote: I'll pay you $1000 if you stop this charade.

The Voice of Time wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: I'll pay you $1000 if you stop this charade.

I'll bet a thousand dollars you are too cheap to pay up...