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chaz wyman wrote:

SecularCauses wrote:

Khalid wrote:Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Israel extremist? Is that why Arab-Muslims are elected to hold office in its legislature and to sit on its highest court? Is that why despite almost daily terrorist attacks, it does not invade Gza, like any other nation on earth would have long ago? Extremism is what we would have if Chaz the neo-nazi had his way. he would murder off all Jews, to ensure that they no longer controlled the entire US economy. he would then impose his special brand of statism where you would be a slave of the state and we would all have to do what "intellectuals" like chaz tell us to do. We would all need lobotomies so we could dumb our selves down to chaz's level and believe that mentioning the names of a handful of wealthy Jews is somehow proof that they control the entire US economy. Of course, we could list wealthy non-Jews, like Bill Gates, but, somehow, in chaz's world, that is not proof that non-Jews control the US economy. In short, you are engaged in a conversation with someone who is on an intellectual level with any neo-nazi thug one may find. Chaz is pure dog shit.

No, only what you have said about me is dog-shit.
That would make you the dog's arse.

No, fuckbrain, you are dog shit. Your lunatic ravings about Jews and conspiracies and your love affair with national socialism make you dog shit. You think you are smart? Educated? Go up to any university professor in economics and tell them that because you can name some rich Jews, that the Jews control the entire US economy. Tell them that all Jews are racists. Tell them that the President of the US is controlled by the Jews. After they get some distance from your lunatic ass, they will then roll over laughing at you. You are shit, chaz. A walking testament to fucking idiocy.

chaz wyman wrote: Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham

means fuck all

what proportion of shares of american banks are owned by jews

if you can answer that that would be a lot more meaningful than some random names

I've never heard any American politician being critical of Israel.


Maybe you can give an example?

every US president since Carter suggested from time to time that maybe building settlements in the occupied territories is not a great idea

just for starters

I'm denying that there is a conscious conspiracy where a dozen Jews secretly gather in a smoke filled room planning the destruction of the middle east, with Zionist aspirations.
But there is a sort of conspiracy of influence and association working, where by a cabal of Christian and Jewish power brokers are engaged in a moves that amount to a direction of promoting a judaeo-christian future for the Holy Lands.

ah so there is no conspiracy that meets in a smoke filled room but there is a cabal

ok so according to chaz the jewish conspiracy members are nonsmokers

got it

chaz wyman wrote: Sharia is antithetical to International law.

could you clarify what you mean by sharia

its not like there is a book titled 'the sharia'

Kayla wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham

means fuck all

what proportion of shares of american banks are owned by jews

if you can answer that that would be a lot more meaningful than some random names

I've never heard any American politician being critical of Israel.


Maybe you can give an example?

every US president since Carter suggested from time to time that maybe building settlements in the occupied territories is not a great idea

just for starters

I'm denying that there is a conscious conspiracy where a dozen Jews secretly gather in a smoke filled room planning the destruction of the middle east, with Zionist aspirations.
But there is a sort of conspiracy of influence and association working, where by a cabal of Christian and Jewish power brokers are engaged in a moves that amount to a direction of promoting a judaeo-christian future for the Holy Lands.

ah so there is no conspiracy that meets in a smoke filled room but there is a cabal

ok so according to chaz the jewish conspiracy members are nonsmokers

got it

It doesn't matter what percentage of shares in American banks are owned by Jews. Who cares? People who own banks are just people who have shares in banks. Religion doesn't come into it.

Kayla wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham

means fuck all

How charmingly naive of you.

what proportion of shares of american banks are owned by jews

if you can answer that that would be a lot more meaningful than some random names

Why don't you get of your sweaty pre-pubescent backside and answer the question yourself - but you might as well ask who eats the most burgers to find out who's running MacDonald's.

I've never heard any American politician being critical of Israel.


Maybe you can give an example?

every US president since Carter suggested from time to time that maybe building settlements in the occupied territories is not a great idea

Ha, maybe maybe maybe. That is not being critical. In the end Carter bought off Egypt resulting in the assassination of Sadat. The result was that the US annually paid Egypt $3billion to protect Israel, ensuring that the Mubarek regime was able to persecute his own people rather than join the other Arab nations in another war against Israel.

Name one that has spoken about Israel in similar terms to that which they have spoken about Korea, Iran, or Venezuela.

just for starters

Try again!

I'm denying that there is a conscious conspiracy where a dozen Jews secretly gather in a smoke filled room planning the destruction of the middle east, with Zionist aspirations.
But there is a sort of conspiracy of influence and association working, where by a cabal of Christian and Jewish power brokers are engaged in a moves that amount to a direction of promoting a judaeo-christian future for the Holy Lands.

ah so there is no conspiracy that meets in a smoke filled room but there is a cabal

ok so according to chaz the jewish conspiracy members are nonsmokers

got it

You will die an ignorant peasant, barefoot and pregnant with a tribe of ignorant children in your wake. God Bless America!

chaz wyman wrote: Why don't you get of your sweaty pre-pubescent backside and answer the question yourself

you are the one who claims that the jews control banks not me so it is up to you to provide evidence

- but you might as well ask who eats the most burgers to find out who's running MacDonald's.

so its not stockholders who run banks, but the cabal of non-smoking jews?

Name one that has spoken about Israel in similar terms to that which they have spoken about Korea, Iran, or Venezuela.

political leaders everywhere treat their allies much better than their enemies - and apply a double standard when offering criticism

there is no need for a jewish conspiracy for that to happen

You will die an ignorant peasant, barefoot and pregnant with a tribe of ignorant children in your wake. God Bless America!

you are already a substitute gym teacher so nothing worse will happen to you

are UK gym teachers ever more stupid than american ones?

chaz wyman wrote:

Kayla wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham

means fuck all

How charmingly naive of you.

what proportion of shares of american banks are owned by jews

if you can answer that that would be a lot more meaningful than some random names

Why don't you get of your sweaty pre-pubescent backside and answer the question yourself - but you might as well ask who eats the most burgers to find out who's running MacDonald's.

I've never heard any American politician being critical of Israel.


Maybe you can give an example?

every US president since Carter suggested from time to time that maybe building settlements in the occupied territories is not a great idea

Ha, maybe maybe maybe. That is not being critical. In the end Carter bought off Egypt resulting in the assassination of Sadat. The result was that the US annually paid Egypt $3billion to protect Israel, ensuring that the Mubarek regime was able to persecute his own people rather than join the other Arab nations in another war against Israel.

Name one that has spoken about Israel in similar terms to that which they have spoken about Korea, Iran, or Venezuela.

just for starters

Try again!

I'm denying that there is a conscious conspiracy where a dozen Jews secretly gather in a smoke filled room planning the destruction of the middle east, with Zionist aspirations.
But there is a sort of conspiracy of influence and association working, where by a cabal of Christian and Jewish power brokers are engaged in a moves that amount to a direction of promoting a judaeo-christian future for the Holy Lands.

ah so there is no conspiracy that meets in a smoke filled room but there is a cabal

ok so according to chaz the jewish conspiracy members are nonsmokers

got it

You will die an ignorant peasant, barefoot and pregnant with a tribe of ignorant children in your wake. God Bless America!

Chaz, the banks in the US are owned by all sorts of people besides Jews. Anyone can discover for themselves that you get your information from neo-nazi hate sites. If one goes to such a site that claims the Jews own the banks, or control the economy, the only "proof" offered is a list of Jews. Sometimes their pictures are even shown. Now, the creators of these sites never explain how every Jews mysteriously agrees with every other Jew on banking and/or economic policy. Why? Because Jews differ among themselves over banking and economic issues. The owners of these sites also never show the numerous non-Jews who are in banking and/or politics, which shows that this "proof" could easily be applied to making a claim that the non-Jews control the banks and the US economy. Oh, I take that back. These sites do put up Tim Geithner's name. He's not Jewish, he's Irish-German, from a Christian family. However, these sites inform us his wife is Jewish. Now, no evidence is given that his wife is even interested in economics, much less how she manages to manipulate his every move. But for people like you, Chaz, who hate Jews, it's enough to know Geithner is married to a Jew. Since everyone can see that these hate sites present the same exact arguments you've made here, it's easy to conclude you visit hose sites for your Jew-hating information. Why would you do that unless you were a neo-nazi punk?

And your biggest failing of all is that you and your Jew-hating buddies cannot explain away the fact that in the US the banking system has been nationalized since 1913. It wasn't done by the Jews either. The Jew-haters were writing at the time the FED came into existence that there was a conspiracy of Jews trying to prevent the Federal Reserve from coming into existence. The FED is run by the President and Congress, and we have never had a Jewish President and most members of Congress are not Jews. The FED sets the price of money. It's price-fixing. It is done to promote the policies the US President wants established. Since the US government runs the monetary system in the US, you neo-nazis have to explain how the Jews could possibly control the US government. As a minority, they lack the votes to establish any such control.

You are as irrational as they come, Chaz. Your claims against the Jews are not based on evidence or logic, just pure hate. For those who do not share your hate, it's easy to see through your pathetic Jew-hating claims.

Listen to the hate spewed forth from the defenders of humanity.

SecularCauses wrote:]

chaz wyman wrote: Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham

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Chaz, the banks in the US are owned by all sorts of people besides Jews.

true - so what? I'm not saying they own all the money in the world. I am just stating a fact that the US and world financial markets are generally controlled by people who self identify as Jews.
The reason for this is that generally speaking Jews are more intelligent than gentiles, and those individuals that have managed to escape the millennia of persecutions have done so through influence, surviving individuals have had to have the greatest cunning and intelligence as well as achieving the highest ranks of society. This success story has meant that Jews occupy the most prestigious and powerful levels of society; excelling at arts, science, politics and finance. Not only have they managed to achieve well, but they have had to suffer continual abuse and persecution.
But it remains a fact that this does in fact explain the US's and also the UK's special interest in Israel.

Anyone can discover for themselves that you get your information from neo-nazi hate sites.

~So what? I've never looked into one on those sites and never will. I am simply stating the facts and offer these facts as an explanation as to why the US is so concerned to support Israel and not Arab states in the ME conflict.
Please getr a grip on yourself!

If one goes to such a site that claims the Jews own the banks, or control the economy, the only "proof" offered is a list of Jews.

Duh! Like I said i've never been on one of those sites, like you have.
But there is no doubt that US financial markets and governments favour Israel and that most of the US and world's most influential and controlling financiers are Jewish. Humans have human sympathies.

.. moronic rant deleted....

y lack the votes to establish any such control.

You are as irrational as they come, Chaz. Your claims against the Jews are not based on evidence or logic, just pure hate. For those who do not share your hate, it's easy to see through your pathetic Jew-hating claims.[/quote]

The truth will out.
You need to get out more and get yourself a life, sometime before you die of stupidity.
Jews are smarter than you, and my Jewish friends agree with me at every step.
Accusing me of anti-semitism os both childish and stupid.

chaz wyman wrote:

SecularCauses wrote:]

chaz wyman wrote: Bernie Madoff
Ben Bernacke
Alan Greenspan
Paul Wolfowitz.
Milton Friedman
Ben Graham

[/color]

Chaz, the banks in the US are owned by all sorts of people besides Jews.

true - so what? I'm not saying they own all the money in the world. I am just stating a fact that the US and world financial markets are generally controlled by people who self identify as Jews.
The reason for this is that generally speaking Jews are more intelligent than gentiles, and those individuals that have managed to escape the millennia of persecutions have done so through influence, surviving individuals have had to have the greatest cunning and intelligence as well as achieving the highest ranks of society. This success story has meant that Jews occupy the most prestigious and powerful levels of society; excelling at arts, science, politics and finance. Not only have they managed to achieve well, but they have had to suffer continual abuse and persecution.
But it remains a fact that this does in fact explain the US's and also the UK's special interest in Israel.

Anyone can discover for themselves that you get your information from neo-nazi hate sites.

~So what? I've never looked into one on those sites and never will. I am simply stating the facts and offer these facts as an explanation as to why the US is so concerned to support Israel and not Arab states in the ME conflict.
Please getr a grip on yourself!

If one goes to such a site that claims the Jews own the banks, or control the economy, the only "proof" offered is a list of Jews.

Duh! Like I said i've never been on one of those sites, like you have.
But there is no doubt that US financial markets and governments favour Israel and that most of the US and world's most influential and controlling financiers are Jewish. Humans have human sympathies.

.. moronic rant deleted....

y lack the votes to establish any such control.

You are as irrational as they come, Chaz. Your claims against the Jews are not based on evidence or logic, just pure hate. For those who do not share your hate, it's easy to see through your pathetic Jew-hating claims.

The truth will out.
You need to get out more and get yourself a life, sometime before you die of stupidity.
Jews are smarter than you, and my Jewish friends agree with me at every step.
Accusing me of anti-semitism os both childish and stupid.

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You are a neo-nazi fuck. An anti-semitic fuck for the ages. You used to claim you were a Jew, remember? Now you claim you have Jewish friends, and they all agree with you? I have Jewish friends too and they think anyone who writes the shit you do is a nazi fuck. And here is why, dumbfuck: IF the Jews own the banks, and control the economy, then the only way to fix the banking system and the economy would be to persecute Jews. So, fuckhead, the only Jews who wold support your neo-nazi ass would be self-hating Jews.

Go fuck off.

SecularCauses wrote: You are a neo-nazi fuck. An anti-semitic fuck for the ages. You used to claim you were a Jew, remember? Now you claim you have Jewish friends, and they all agree with you? I have Jewish friends too and they think anyone who writes the shit you do is a nazi fuck. And here is why, dumbfuck: IF the Jews own the banks, and control the economy, then the only way to fix the banking system and the economy would be to persecute Jews. So, fuckhead, the only Jews who wold support your neo-nazi ass would be self-hating Jews.

Go fuck off.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you'd be half as deserving of a reply.
However; to recap my position for the hard of thinking: (that's you BTW)
1) "Jew" is usually used as a marker for a religion and/or a "race"
2) As I am an atheist, I cannot be a 'jew', on religious grounds.
3) As I am not a racist, because I feel that the category of 'race' is a cultural construction, and not a natural one I cannot be a 'Jew'. You might like to here another 'jew", Jonathan Miller from whom I have provided a link that explains this position in another thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLbymPBRvGk

I was privileged to attend a meeting of the Rationalist Society in London last night where he described himself as "Jew-ish". And also Engl-ish' implying he could not go the "whole hog". ..
I feel myself wasting my time an effort on you who must think this all far too subtle, and complex an issue. Nonetheless I ought to advise you to actually read what I say , rather than just rant on with your sick vitriolic nonsense.
I do not know any anti-semites, but I do not imagine many of them are in the habit, as I am of giving praise to many jews; calling them more intelligent, and higher achievers. Einstein and Spinoza are amongst the most brilliant and talented humans to have lived.
By calling me a neo-nazi you are not only letting yourself down, but closing your eyes to some simple facts and truths that are plain enough in front of your face.
Calling me a nazi is about as stupid as others calling me a leftie or a commie, as they have done on this Forum.
This is just evidence from you and others of a complete lack of thinking. Your childish playground insults are a replacement for a lack of engagement with a subject you find a challenge.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself!

Secularcause:

You are a neo-nazi fuck. An anti-semitic fuck for the ages. You used to claim you were a Jew, remember? Now you claim you have Jewish friends, and they all agree with you? I have Jewish friends too and they think anyone who writes the shit you do is a nazi fuck.

That was way back in July 2012. when you were ForgedinHell. Remember?

chaz wyman wrote: I do not know any anti-semites, but I do not imagine many of them are in the habit, as I am of giving praise to many jews;

most bigots will deny that they are bigots, and will claim to have friends from the group against which they are bigoted

this goes as much for the most inbred klansman as it does for a well educated pseudo intellectual 'antizionist'

but demonstrating whether or not someone is a bigot is a difficult proposition and is usually pointless

which is why i asked you to back up your claim that the jews control world finance

nothing is accomplished by calling you a bigot

SecularCauses wrote:

Khalid wrote:Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Israel extremist? Is that why Arab-Muslims are elected to hold office in its legislature and to sit on its highest court? Is that why despite almost daily terrorist attacks, it does not invade Gza, like any other nation on earth would have long ago?

I want to pray in the "Akesa" mosque , they turn Jerusalem into a jewish city , the city that Embraced all religions beside each other for centuries among 21 other Arab country of the Arab world or the middle east as you call it , have you heard of someone trying to burn a church in Jerusalem in the past , now there are dangerous excavations are being made around al akesa for 15 years , they burned that mosque before 35 years ago or something, several months ago they broke into it and a week ago as well . I don't mind a jewish nation does exist in Palestine but not on 90% of the land please . Also before I forget , the 200 nuke heads in Israel make me have some worrying concerns from time to time . Finally I dream they stop killing soldiers on their neighbors' borders specially the Egyptian side, cause unfortunetely they are poor soldiers who have families and a life they want to live after finishing recruitment period . Then I will stop calling Israel extremist .

Khalid wrote:

SecularCauses wrote:

Khalid wrote:Iran is another model of extremism just like Israel , if the international law had been activated on all countries in the middle east , it would have been a much more stable and peaceful area . It's just that simple .

Israel extremist? Is that why Arab-Muslims are elected to hold office in its legislature and to sit on its highest court? Is that why despite almost daily terrorist attacks, it does not invade Gza, like any other nation on earth would have long ago?

I want to pray in the "Akesa" mosque , they turn Jerusalem into a jewish city , the city that Embraced all religions beside each other for centuries among 21 other Arab country of the Arab world or the middle east as you call it , have you heard of someone trying to burn a church in Jerusalem in the past , now there are dangerous excavations are being made around al akesa for 15 years , they burned that mosque before 35 years ago or something, several months ago they broke into it and a week ago as well . I don't mind a jewish nation does exist in Palestine but not on 90% of the land please . Also before I forget , the 200 nuke heads in Israel make me have some worrying concerns from time to time . Finally I dream they stop killing soldiers on their neighbors' borders specially the Egyptian side, cause unfortunetely they are poor soldiers who have families and a life they want to live after finishing recruitment period . Then I will stop calling Israel extremist .

There is only one place in Israel where people are not free to practice their religion, and that is on the Temple Mount. Why? It's under Muslim control. Imagine that? In a supposedly "extremist" state, Israel allows Muslims to ban Jews and Christians from praying on the Temple Mount. In Saudi Arabia, so-called Gaza, Jews can't even exist. Muslims right now are killing Christians throughout Northern Africa. In Egypt, young Christian girls are being kidnapped and forced into converting to Islam. After these forced conversions, the government in Egypt tells the parents that they have no right to have their children returned to them. The barbarism that exists throughout the Muslim world is horrendous. The persecution of Aab atheists and Christians by Arab Muslims has got to stop. Yet, while these horrors take place, we are supposed to believe the lie that Israel is an "extremist" state?