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John wrote:

bobevenson wrote:I don't defend any stupid American laws that interfere with free choice, but you people defend your own stupid laws by pointing out our stupid laws. Talk about the inability to think logically, Europeans take the cake, and I don't mean the kind you eat!!!

But you're the one that keeps ranting on about Europeans because of "our" (I use the term very loosely as a concession to your inability to recognise the diversity of the continent) laws and when American laws are more, or just as, restrictive you then rant that you're not defending "stupid American laws".

What are you doing about these American laws that restrict your freedoms and you don't agree with then?

I think this valid point seems not to have set in.
His denseness is beyond belief.

chaz wyman wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:Because freedom was invented here...

It may have been invented there, but it sure isn't practiced there, O my brothers in tribulation!

Says the person whose police arrest people for not wearing helmets even when there is no law against not wearing them.
Says the person from the country that still has a draft system.

When was the last time an American was drafted into the military? It's been so long that not even you can remember when. And don't make me laugh by insinuating that Europe has never used a military draft. If you actually believe that, you must be daft! Also, do you remember George Harrison's song "Taxman"? That was when England was taking 95% of the Beatles' money in taxes. Europe is nothing but a bunch of government thieves, bandits and bloodsuckers who should be put behind bars, but no, you want more of that godforsaken bullshit, don't you?

bobevenson wrote:When was the last time an American was drafted into the military? It's been so long that not even you can remember when. And don't make me laugh by insinuating that Europe has never used a military draft. If you actually believe that, you must be daft! Also, do you remember George Harrison's song "Taxman"? That was when England was taking 95% of the Beatles' money in taxes. Europe is nothing but a bunch of government thieves, bandits and bloodsuckers who should be put behind bars, but no, you want more of that godforsaken bullshit, don't you?

The UK doesn't draft people and the top rate of tax is not 95% either so what's your point?

FYI.

I am currently breaking the law.
As an American citizen it is my legal responsibility to have registered for the draft.
I refused to do so, and am effectively a fugitive from justice.

So much for freedom.

FYI

Taxes are determined by democratic votes. You pay them, we pay them. It's what keeps the country educated, defended, healthy safe, and puts roads down and many other things vital to compete in the world economy.

John wrote:

bobevenson wrote:When was the last time an American was drafted into the military? It's been so long that not even you can remember when. And don't make me laugh by insinuating that Europe has never used a military draft. If you actually believe that, you must be daft! Also, do you remember George Harrison's song "Taxman"? That was when England was taking 95% of the Beatles' money in taxes. Europe is nothing but a bunch of government thieves, bandits and bloodsuckers who should be put behind bars, but no, you want more of that godforsaken bullshit, don't you?

The UK doesn't draft people and the top rate of tax is not 95% either so what's your point?

A) Don't say the UK has never drafted people (and the U.S. hasn't for a good many years), and B) the British tax rate was 95% for people like the Beatles.

bobevenson wrote:A) Don't say the UK has never drafted people (and the U.S. hasn't for a good many years), and B) the British tax rate was 95% for people like the Beatles.

I said the UK doesn't draft people now and the tax rate isn't 95% now. Try to keep up please.

John wrote:

bobevenson wrote:A) Don't say the UK has never drafted people (and the U.S. hasn't for a good many years), and B) the British tax rate was 95% for people like the Beatles.

I said the UK doesn't draft people now and the tax rate isn't 95% now. Try to keep up please.

You said verbatim, "The UK doesn't draft people and the top rate of tax is not 95% either so what's your point?" My point is the U.S. doesn't draft people into the military either, so what's your point? Furthermore, the U.S. has never had a confiscatory 95% tax rate like Britain during the Beatles time, which you should be ashamed of and can't refute!

bobevenson wrote:

John wrote:

bobevenson wrote:A) Don't say the UK has never drafted people (and the U.S. hasn't for a good many years), and B) the British tax rate was 95% for people like the Beatles.

I said the UK doesn't draft people now and the tax rate isn't 95% now. Try to keep up please.

You said verbatim, "The UK doesn't draft people and the top rate of tax is not 95% either so what's your point?" My point is the U.S. doesn't draft people into the military either, so what's your point? Furthermore, the U.S. has never had a confiscatory 95% tax rate like Britain during the Beatles time, which you should be ashamed of and can't refute!

My point is that you can't attack the UK for things it once did if you're going to excuse the USA for things it once did. You also attack the UK for particular laws you disagree with but when anyone points out that the USA has equally ridiculous laws you just excuse it by saying you don't agree with them as though everyone in the UK agreed with every law here and the USA is somehow a special case.

You are inconsistent.

John wrote:You are inconsistent.

WHAT??? I am the very model of consistency! Do you deny that the UK has confiscatory tax rates for the rich??? Of course you can't deny it because it is the absolute truth! On the other hand, the U.S. does not have confiscatory tax rates for the rich.

Well you're consistent in that you constantly move the goalposts because you were prattling on about 95% tax rates not the general level of taxation in the UK which is no where near that at the top level.

John wrote:Well you're consistent in that you constantly move the goalposts because you were prattling on about 95% tax rates not the general level of taxation in the UK which is no where near that at the top level.

Everybody in England is overtaxed to pay homage to people who refuse to work!

bobevenson wrote:

John wrote:

bobevenson wrote:When was the last time an American was drafted into the military? It's been so long that not even you can remember when. And don't make me laugh by insinuating that Europe has never used a military draft. If you actually believe that, you must be daft! Also, do you remember George Harrison's song "Taxman"? That was when England was taking 95% of the Beatles' money in taxes. Europe is nothing but a bunch of government thieves, bandits and bloodsuckers who should be put behind bars, but no, you want more of that godforsaken bullshit, don't you?

The UK doesn't draft people and the top rate of tax is not 95% either so what's your point?

A) Don't say the UK has never drafted people (and the U.S. hasn't for a good many years), and B) the British tax rate was 95% for people like the Beatles.

The draft is active in the USA.
We do not tax at 95%.

You can't even see the fucking contradiction in your own statement.

chaz wyman wrote:The draft is active in the USA. We do not tax at 95%.

A) You most certainly did tax at 95% (that's why George Harrison wrote "Taxman," to slam the stupid British government. B) The U.S. has not drafted anybody in more years than you or your countrymen can count. You continue to demonstrate your utter stupidity with every post you write, sending shock waves as though you have just broken the sound barrier for the umpteenth time!

bobevenson wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:The draft is active in the USA. We do not tax at 95%.

A) You most certainly did tax at 95% (that's why George Harrison wrote "Taxman," to slam the stupid British government. B) The U.S. has not drafted anybody in more years than you or your countrymen can count. You continue to demonstrate your utter stupidity with every post you write, sending shock waves as though you have just broken the sound barrier for the umpteenth time!

Bob, what does the past have to do with today...or did you just read into what Chaz said INSTEAD of whathe actually wrote.

All Chaz wrote was 2 simple statements of fact.
Fact:
1. The draft is active in the USA.

(notice he didn't write : The draft is being implemented in the USA today.)

2. We do not tax at 95%.

(now he could have been more clear by saying that the UK does not tax at 95%, but I think it is implied by his other posts as to what he meant)

I don't know if the second statement is fact or not...as I don't know if today at this moment the uk has a 95% tax rate on anyone. But if it does not...the the statement is presently a fact. What happened in the 50's and 60's is irrelevant to today's facts.

So why do you get your feathers ruffled over a simple observation from Chaz? Is it because aesthetically speaking...his posts irk you? Possibly because some of them were less than flattering? That is how Chaz is with most everyone...except for the special few he has his nose buried in their ass....lol. (couldn't resist that last line )

artisticsolution wrote:
All Chaz wrote was 2 simple statements of fact.
Fact:
1. The draft is active in the USA.(notice he didn't write : The draft is being implemented in the USA today.)

Wait a minute, although registering for selective service may be in effect, there is no current draft in the USA. For there to be a current draft, people have to be currently drafted, and that is simply not true. I hope I don't have to put you in the same idiot category as Chaz and Arising.