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Re: Do you believe in Free will? Determinism?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2026 1:22 pm
by Impenitent
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2026 3:03 am
Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 2:00 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 12:30 pm
God is a deterministic idea. Free Will was invented by certain theologians to expedite blame while retaining God's overarching power.
Cui bono?
no, the ability to choose one's action is innate
crowd control methods were invented and enacted by certain theologians
-Imp
Give me one example of human behaviour that is not motivated from without. Motivations spell reactions, not actions; actions are perhaps for the gods. There is no such thing as human action; there are but human reactions. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and through its reactions, it is a source of cause to the larger world in the process of reciprocal causation.
playing music or singing without an audience
-Imp
Re: Do you believe in Free will? Determinism?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2026 5:59 pm
by popeye1945
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2026 1:22 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2026 3:03 am
Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 2:00 pm
no, the ability to choose one's action is innate
crowd control methods were invented and enacted by certain theologians
-Imp
Give me one example of human behaviour that is not motivated from without. Motivations spell reactions, not actions; actions are perhaps for the gods. There is no such thing as human action; there are but human reactions. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things, and through its reactions, it is a source of cause to the larger world in the process of reciprocal causation.
playing music or singing without an audience
-Imp
Interesting, but no cigar. The best one anyone has come up with so far. Certainly, singing or playing music cannot be considered unmotivated. Perhaps you hear a song that gives you pleasure through melody and/or lyrics, so you wish to repeat the process that gives you pleasure. I think it was Spinoza who pointed out that there are three primary emotions: pain, pleasure, and desire; you have at least two in play here. Humanity will not evolve intellectually nor morally until it comes to know its own nature, that of a reactionary creature, as all creatures are, and through that nature, it stays aligned with the ever-changing reactive world. This reactive nature of the organism is the process of BEING THE WORLD through the process of reciprocal causation, the engine of the evolutionary process. There is one thing an organism cannot do, and that is, it cannot, NOT react to its environment, because that is what it is as a functional element of the earth. Oh, the above, "without an audience, just as you are an object in the world even to yourself. So, you would be, in this sense, your own audience reacting to your own performance.