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The past and future existing 'out there' all the time is really no different from other places existing 'out there' all the time. We sit on a boat floating down a river, and see the scenery change. One minute there are fields and meadows all around us, next minute, there's a city. The fields are still there, behind us. The city was always there, waiting ahead of us. It will still be there after we have passed it by. But the fact that everywhere we're not is still out there should make no difference to us because we are only living on the boat. We only experience the tiny bit of space close to the boat, and that's all we have to deal with. We know the rest of the universe is still 'out there', but it doesn't change our own experience.

We only ever experience 'here', just like we only ever experience 'now'. Other times and places exist, out of our sight, but there is no reason the other 'now's should bother us any more than the other 'here's do.

The stream doesn't have to wait to get to the ocean to be it.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:45 pm

-Imp

Once upon a time Noah saved humanity from a flood on a similar ship.

socrattus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:26 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:45 pm

-Imp

Once upon a time Noah saved humanity from a flood on a similar ship.

if that story is to be believed, the ark would have been larger than an aircraft carrier to hold all those animals and the food to feed them...

to say nothing of the inability to keep the apex predators from eating the other animals...

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:36 pm

socrattus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:26 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:45 pm

-Imp

Once upon a time Noah saved humanity from a flood on a similar ship.

if that story is to be believed, the ark would have been larger than an aircraft carrier to hold all those animals and the food to feed them...

to say nothing of the inability to keep the apex predators from eating the other animals...

-Imp

good logic
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socrattus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:22 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:36 pm

socrattus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:26 pm

Once upon a time Noah saved humanity from a flood on a similar ship.

if that story is to be believed, the ark would have been larger than an aircraft carrier to hold all those animals and the food to feed them...

to say nothing of the inability to keep the apex predators from eating the other animals...

-Imp

good logic
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Once upon a time, Noah dreamed of such a large ark (as you pointed out),
but he did not have enough iron and steel to build it.

nor the nuclear powered means of propulsion

-Imp

socrattus wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:06 am

socrattus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:22 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:36 pm

if that story is to be believed, the ark would have been larger than an aircraft carrier to hold all those animals and the food to feed them...

to say nothing of the inability to keep the apex predators from eating the other animals...

-Imp

good logic
------------

Once upon a time, Noah dreamed of such a large ark (as you pointed out),
but he did not have enough iron and steel to build it.

By the way, between Noah's Ark and the nuclear aircraft carrier there was the unsinkable Titanic ...
conclusion: you shouldn't be sure of the "constant", everything can change ...
“If you thought that science was certain - well that is just an error on your part.”
/Richard Feynman/

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:54 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KMjZYb3nk


Brian Cox: Something Terrifying Existed Before The Big Bang



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Before and after are dimensions of now, as to conceptualize them only occurs now.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:54 pm The past and future existing 'out there' all the time is really no different from other places existing 'out there' all the time. We sit on a boat floating down a river, and see the scenery change. One minute there are fields and meadows all around us, next minute, there's a city. The fields are still there, behind us. The city was always there, waiting ahead of us. It will still be there after we have passed it by. But the fact that everywhere we're not is still out there should make no difference to us because we are only living on the boat. We only experience the tiny bit of space close to the boat, and that's all we have to deal with.

And, 'this', HERE, is WHY 'you' are NOT 'I', and, WHY 'I' AM NOT 'you'.

you human beings, REALLY DO, only 'experience' a so-called 'very tiny bit of space close to the boat', ONLY.

Whereas, 'I' DO NOT.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:54 pm We know the rest of the universe is still 'out there', but it doesn't change our own experience.

But, TO 'I', the WHOLE Universe is Right HERE, Right NOW, ALWAYS, and in ALL WAYS.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:54 pm We only ever experience 'here',

you, human beings, may well ONLY EVER 'experience', 'here', but you CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE TO. you are CERTAINLY ABSOLUTELY FREE TO 'experience' MORE, and ANEW, if you SO CHOOSE TO.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:54 pm just like we only ever experience 'now'.

BUT, 'now', to 'you', in that 'very tiny bit of space close to a boat', is CERTAINLY NOT the 'NOW' that 'we' ALL, TOGETHER, KNOW, and UNDERSTAND,

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:54 pm Other times and places exist, out of our sight, but there is no reason the other 'now's should bother us any more than the other 'here's do.

See, 'this' is WHAT HAPPENS and OCCURS when one ONLY 'looks at' and 'sees' things FROM a VERY CLOSED (space) or VERY NARROWED perspective, ONLY.

And, this is WHY I do NOT 'look at' and 'see' things from your, human being, perspective, ONLY.

If 'I' DID, then 'I', ALSO, would be MISSING OUT and/or MISUNDERSTANDING SO MUCH, AS WELL.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:36 pm

socrattus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:26 pm
Once upon a time Noah saved humanity from a flood on a similar ship.

if that story is to be believed, the ark would have been larger than an aircraft carrier to hold all those animals and the food to feed them...

to say nothing of the inability to keep the apex predators from eating the other animals...

-Imp

Talk about MISSING 'the message', and, MISUNDERSTANDING 'the story', and 'METAPHOR', COMPLETELY.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:54 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KMjZYb3nk


Brian Cox: Something Terrifying Existed Before The Big Bang



In this captivating episode, renowned physicist Brian Cox explores the mind-boggling concept of what existed before the Big Bang. Was there a universe before ours? Could the laws of physics as we know them have existed in some form? Join Brian as he delves into the mysteries of time, space, and the origins of our universe, challenging everything we think we know about the beginning of reality itself.

From quantum theories to cosmic structures beyond our comprehension, this journey takes us to the very edge of science, where facts and imagination collide.

You are living it!

A substantial part of physical (real) phenomena depends on the rate of change (on derivative by time) of other physical phenomena (values). For example, electricity/magnetism, force/acceleration… The intensity of such changes must therefore be "available" somewhere. I can think of nothing else than variously deformed "Planckian" accreting sediments of the past. So a 4D permanently condensing Past and a 3D Planckian thin Present...

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:54 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KMjZYb3nk


Brian Cox: Something Terrifying Existed Before The Big Bang



In this captivating episode, renowned physicist Brian Cox explores the mind-boggling concept of what existed before the Big Bang. Was there a universe before ours? Could the laws of physics as we know them have existed in some form? Join Brian as he delves into the mysteries of time, space, and the origins of our universe, challenging everything we think we know about the beginning of reality itself.

From quantum theories to cosmic structures beyond our comprehension, this journey takes us to the very edge of science, where facts and imagination collide.

This is fake. A Lie.