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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:05 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:52 pm Yawn. Your views clearly don't permit freedom of religion, nor freedom to mingle with whomesoever one chooses, nor to marry whomesoeverone chooses. You can try to gaslight about that as much as you like, but you never did impress me, and it isn't likely to happen for you now.

Discussion of ideas, of current events, of social ideologies — all of this must be for you advocacy.

“My views” are not what is the topic. The topic is how people and communities are navigating a decided turn against Liberal idealism in our present.

Ok, let's pretend you are actually a neutral observer with no axe to grind whatsoever who just conincidentally happens to over and over and over again tell us how much extra time we should find to read the widest possible variety of neo-nazi and white seperatist literature. And we'll overlook the times you've gone mask-off in your advocacy such in prior discussion about your bestie Camus ...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:56 am The arrogance of progressive types is always a startling sight. God must have appeared epiphanally and communicated his will to you. You have a social zealousness with evangelizing fervor. Where does this come from? Where did it originate?

You do not have that right. And I submit that you cannot arrogate it to yourself. Not ethically.

Camus links remplacement with global capitalistic enterprise. When men are transformed into replaceable cogs. Modular humanity.

He also brings out a peculiar point: the anti-racists end up destroying race-difference through their zealous advocacy. The mixing of disparates is the beginning of the end of what is distinct and unique. Anti-whiteness (a real thing) is a breach to a justifiable and proper sense of identity. It is a White man’s disease. It requires internal advocates who turn against themselves.

You pitiable, diseased people! And to think I have been called to rearrange your twisted outlooks.

But sure, yeah, it's no YOU advocating for anything. So let's just politely overlook all that and say .... "those views clearly don't permit freedom of religion, nor freedom to mingle with whomesoever one chooses, nor to marry whomesoeverone chooses." and we end up with exactly the same point that you were evading, but without the petty little "who, me?" act getting in the way.

You pitiable, diseased people! And to think I have been called to rearrange your twisted outlooks.

It is that last line's humor that goes over your head!*

However, my explanation of Camus' perspective is valid. So all good there.
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*I was thinking of this line:

All these people that you mention
Yes, I know them, they're quite lame
I had to rearrange their faces
And give them all another name

And my actual point has gone unchallenged enough times that obviously we both know it is valid: "those views clearly don't permit freedom of religion, nor freedom to mingle with whomesoever one chooses, nor to marry whomesoever one chooses."

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:30 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:05 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:52 pm Yawn. Your views clearly don't permit freedom of religion, nor freedom to mingle with whomesoever one chooses, nor to marry whomesoeverone chooses. You can try to gaslight about that as much as you like, but you never did impress me, and it isn't likely to happen for you now.

Discussion of ideas, of current events, of social ideologies — all of this must be for you advocacy.

“My views” are not what is the topic. The topic is how people and communities are navigating a decided turn against Liberal idealism in our present.

Ok, let's pretend you are actually a neutral observer with no axe to grind whatsoever who just conincidentally happens to over and over and over again tell us how much extra time we should find to read the widest possible variety of neo-nazi and white seperatist literature...

Are idiots like you mass produced in factories in UK these days? You should be kicked off the forum for constantly slandering people..

So many of u idiots in UK getting away with calling out the "racist" card on anyone that has concerns about their own culture being overridden by shittier cultures..because idiots like you welcome boatloads of MEN under pretence of oooh, they're seeking asylum!! So why do these scumbags leave their women behind?

So many in UK should be locked up for their lies and defamation of character - re Farage and in particular, Robinson.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:54 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:30 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:05 pm
Discussion of ideas, of current events, of social ideologies — all of this must be for you advocacy.

“My views” are not what is the topic. The topic is how people and communities are navigating a decided turn against Liberal idealism in our present.

Ok, let's pretend you are actually a neutral observer with no axe to grind whatsoever who just conincidentally happens to over and over and over again tell us how much extra time we should find to read the widest possible variety of neo-nazi and white seperatist literature...

Are idiots like you mass produced in factories in UK these days? You should be kicked off the forum for constantly slandering people..

So many of u idiots in UK getting away with calling out the "racist" card on anyone that has concerns about their own culture being overridden by shittier cultures..because idiots like you welcome boatloads of MEN under pretence of oooh, they're seeking asylum!! So why do these scumbags leave their women behind?

So many in UK should be locked up for their lies and defamation of character - re Farage and in particular, Robinson.

I've helped you out by highlighting the bit that you wouldn't have written if you weren't a racist.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:28 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:54 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:30 pm
Ok, let's pretend you are actually a neutral observer with no axe to grind whatsoever who just conincidentally happens to over and over and over again tell us how much extra time we should find to read the widest possible variety of neo-nazi and white seperatist literature...

Are idiots like you mass produced in factories in UK these days? You should be kicked off the forum for constantly slandering people..

So many of u idiots in UK getting away with calling out the "racist" card on anyone that has concerns about their own culture being overridden by shittier cultures..because idiots like you welcome boatloads of MEN under pretence of oooh, they're seeking asylum!! So why do these scumbags leave their women behind?

So many in UK should be locked up for their lies and defamation of character - re Farage and in particular, Robinson.

I've helped you out by highlighting the bit that you wouldn't have written if you weren't a racist.

That's not racism. Preferring my culture to say, that of Pakistan has nothing to do with race. You are only confirming my certainty that you are indeed an idiot.

I travelled to India a couple of years ago to meet my relatives, lovely people...I still prefer the culture within UK and where I live, Australia. There is not a racist bone in my body, idiot.

Lol, according to Dpants, Pakistan/India are not "shittier" cultures than the one that protects his child-liberal-innocence, ignorance, and arrogance...while he and his liberalism wouldn't last a day in the 3rd world.

This is exactly how 1st world countries and cultures are being defeated exactly: the ignorance of liberals and liberalism, the delusion that the 3rd world is "equally valid" as the 1st.

It's not. It never was. And if it were, there wouldn't be mass-migrations in the first place. Liberals cannot address the basic facts, though, and rely on their constant Ad Hom DATS RACIS!!! to do most of their heavy lifting. Lucky for Conservative Westerners, that time is coming to an end. People aren't really going to care about "being racist" if that means their lives, culture, country, living situations, are all destroyed. Liberal morons and ignoramuses need to blind themselves to people in the OP.

Fortunately, a good sign of the changing times, are these Western 'democratic' votes against Liberalism. I expect much more pushback this decade and the next, when Western cultural degradation accelerates. At this point, the 3rd world migrants are collectivizing, and will make gains in Western governments. "Demographics is Destiny", as some would say.

seeds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:09 pmMy "Chauncey Gardiner-ish" (Being There) reply to that would be:

"...If you destroy an ant hill, the ants will scatter in all directions..."

Chauncey's Solution:

"...Don't destroy the ant hill and the ants will not scatter..."

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Tell that to Jews and Israel who destroyed Palestine these last few months, and sent all the refugees everywhere else...many of whom will eventually seek shelter in Western countries.

Point being...there will always be calamities and 3rd world nations trying to flee, or 2nd world nations emptying their jails and criminals on the borders of the 1st world.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:04 pm

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:21 am Alexis, your arguments against Dpants are often in a Defensive posture -- I don't know if you're aware of it. Dpants will learn, in due time, that his position and cultural-Leftism suffered a heavy defeat with the 2024 Election and MAGA-movement. I believe, the Western Lib-Leftists are still in heavy 'Denial' stage of their Grief. They have yet to enter the Anger/Rage phase. Dpants will understand more of how his position has faded, after Trump's inauguration.

First, I recognize that Flash always takes a simplistic, aggressive posture. It is just not my style to argue in attack-mode. And all of this is a sort of intellectual pastime and (for good or bad) I do not have a great deal of skin in the game.

My function is to •get things out on the table so they can be fairly examined•. Often that involves preliminary disentanglement.

I do not have the confidence in Trump or the present state of the US system that perhaps you do (?) at this juncture. Or, put another way, there is more to be gained by maintaining some distance from too-overt commitments. That is my view anyway.

If the question is What opposes or can correct the “dying” you refer to, I suggest that the conversation could become far more interesting than these interchanges usually are.

Fair enough...

I believe Western societies, cultures, countries, and peoples will need to suffer a lot more, unfortunately, before "Far-Right-Evil-Hitler-Nazis" (according to Dpants) rise up and defend themselves. And this is his basic, repeated argument.

That if you love your family, your kin, your hometown, and want to preserve it (Conservatism), then you're an evil-Hitler-Nazi...unless you have brown or black or zionist skin. In that case, it's no longer "racist" to defend your people and culture. It's only when muh evil whitey! does it, that it's evil...even though the Hitler-Nazis were, supposedly, defeated long ago?? This part is unclear to Dpants and other liberals. They're under the delusion that the West lost, and there are Hitler-Nazis everywhere.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:30 am I believe Western societies, cultures, countries, and peoples will need to suffer a lot more, unfortunately, before "Far-Right-Evil-Hitler-Nazis" (according to Dpants) rise up and defend themselves. And this is his basic, repeated argument.

It is an argument that works and that is why it is employed. Its use involves the ultimate moral condemnation which, among most, stops them in their tracks. They will not participate in openly thinking, much less talking, about a whole host of issues because of the wielded moral shade. It is far too dangerous, far too unsettling.

To gain or to recover self-consciousness and self-empowerment necessarily involves examining and confronting an ideological structure that has been imposed on our societies through education and propaganda. These are powerful constructions and they can be understood as having been installed in people at a deep level. Many of the tenets of Liberalism have been deeply associated with “moral goodness” so that to see and think differently feels like genuine sin.

There is a whole set of definitions that underpinned traditional identification with Europeanness and these have been substantially undermined.

Unfortunately, it requires a Nietzschean resolve, or something close to it, to arrive at a foundational resolve that could be said to be “self preserving” in a social and cultural sense. The looseness of the Liberal moral structures, a type of acquiescent fluidity and weakness, function as a substantial barrier against a countervailing idea and value structure regaining ground.

We would have to better understand Flash’s age, where he was brought up, the sort of environment he grew up in, and about the sorts of political and social ideas and values he was raised up in, in order to be able to explain how his ideas undermine those “traditional commitments” of a manly sort. The notion of manliness in super-relevant since, according to more strict ideas, a man has social responsibility in the “defense” of his family, community and nation. However, these values have been associated with all that is retrograde and anti-progressive.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:54 am So many in UK should be locked up for their lies and defamation of character - re Farage and in particular, Robinson.

This talk by G. Ashendon might interest you: his comments on the king’s Christmas speech.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:27 am

seeds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:09 pmMy "Chauncey Gardiner-ish" (Being There) reply to that would be:

"...If you destroy an ant hill, the ants will scatter in all directions..."

Chauncey's Solution:

"...Don't destroy the ant hill and the ants will not scatter..."


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Tell that to Jews and Israel who destroyed Palestine these last few months, and sent all the refugees everywhere else...many of whom will eventually seek shelter in Western countries.

That was precisely the point!

And, btw, it's not only the Israelis who are destroying Palestine, but also the U.S., by supplying Israel with money, bombs, and logistical support.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:27 am Point being...there will always be calamities and 3rd world nations trying to flee,...

Yes, and many of the calamities are the result of western imperialists trying to take over the planet, which, again, was the point of my initial post.

It's a special kind of idiot who is surprised and complains about refugees showing up on his (or her) doorstep as a result of him (or her) being, if not directly involve, then, at the very least, complacent in the wholesale destruction of the refugee's homeland by the nation in which the idiot lives.
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..a very succinct analysis, of the untenability of migration.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEUMiuNvcIP/

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THE UK IS DYING AND I NEED TO VENT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzstEpSeuwU

EduKate
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Her analysis ain’t wrong..