Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[popeye1945]

Your point??

DUH! The idea is to address the stated facts that you disagree with; an example would be when the World Court found Natanyahoo guilty of crimes against humanity in other words guilty of genocide. That is factual information you can google instead of just flinging insults.

Hmm. I guess if the 'world court' says it then it must be true. Is that the same 'world court' that NEVER mentions the actual genocides that muslims are committing in other countries? Have you even noticed the islamification that's happening in Europe and how islam isn't pandered to everywhere? It even has a special word for anyone who dares to criticise it. What other religion has that?
Did that same 'world court' ever find Dubya Bush guilty of crimes against humanity? What about Tony Blair? Has it ever said a single word about the US' many invasions and atrocities? Didn't think so. No normal, thinking person gives a shit what the 'world court' has to say about anything. Ditto the bloated parasites in the UN (same thing anyway).

You're reading me wrong; I am not pro-Islam I believe Islam should be banned in the West. In China, it has been banned as a mental illness and I quite agree. The American House of Isreal and Isreal itself had no problem with the World Court before it focused on the genocide in Gaza. You have a point; America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950 and I don't remember any outcry from the world court about the United States crimes against humanity. Still, if one understands what genocide is and can look at what is happening in Gaza and not recognize it as genocide and/or ethnic cleansing someone is being dishonest. The West had no problem with the World Court finding President Putin guilty of war crimes and issuing a global arrest warrant, so perhaps you are right about the World Court. I am very anti-Muslim but genocide is genocide, the attempted destruction of a whole people if accepted by humanity at large, would negate the very meaning of what it is to be human.

[accelafine]

DUH! The idea is to address the stated facts that you disagree with; an example would be when the World Court found Natanyahoo guilty of crimes against humanity in other words guilty of genocide. That is factual information you can google instead of just flinging insults.

Hmm. I guess if the 'world court' says it then it must be true. Is that the same 'world court' that NEVER mentions the actual genocides that muslims are committing in other countries? Have you even noticed the islamification that's happening in Europe and how islam isn't pandered to everywhere? It even has a special word for anyone who dares to criticise it. What other religion has that?
Did that same 'world court' ever find Dubya Bush guilty of crimes against humanity? What about Tony Blair? Has it ever said a single word about the US' many invasions and atrocities? Didn't think so. No normal, thinking person gives a shit what the 'world court' has to say about anything. Ditto the bloated parasites in the UN (same thing anyway).

You're reading me wrong; I am not pro-Islam I believe Islam should be banned in the West. In China, it has been banned as a mental illness and I quite agree. The American House of Isreal and Isreal itself had no problem with the World Court before it focused on the genocide in Gaza. You have a point; America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950 and I don't remember any outcry from the world court about the United States crimes against humanity. Still, if one understands what genocide is and can look at what is happening in Gaza and not recognize it as genocide and/or ethnic cleansing someone is being dishonest. The West had no problem with the World Court finding President Putin guilty of war crimes and issuing a global arrest warrant, so perhaps you are right about the World Court. I am very anti-Muslim but genocide is genocide, the attempted destruction of a whole people if accepted by humanity at large, would negate the very meaning of what it is to be human.

It's not genocide. What Gaza Strippers want to do to Jews is genocide. What they did on Oct 7 was genocide, arguably the most depraved and obscene act that humans have ever inflicted on another group of humans--certainly in my lifetime. Even the Nazis didn't openly and gleefully celebrate their depravity and boast about it to the rest of the world. Perhaps they mistakenly believed that the rest of the would give a shit. Interesting that all the most disgusting and depraved acts of the last few decades that have stayed unwanted in my head have been committed by muslims.
What woke Westerners want to happen to Israel is genocide and that is what WILL happen if Israel doesn't stand up for itself. Don't talk to ME about 'being human'. After Oct 7 I genuinely don't give a flying *** what happens to any Gaza Strippers, except that they need to be kept OUT of all Western countries. Btw, are you purposely misspelling Israel?

[accelafine]

Why aren't Egypt and Jordan taking them in? They are the same people for crying out loud. Why does Egypt have a massive wall to keep them out?

[Alexiev]

You're reading me wrong; I am not pro-Islam I believe Islam should be banned in the West. In China, it has been banned as a mental illness and I quite agree. The American House of Isreal and Isreal itself had no problem with the World Court before it focused on the genocide in Gaza. You have a point; America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950 and I don't remember any outcry from the world court about the United States crimes against humanity. Still, if one understands what genocide is and can look at what is happening in Gaza and not recognize it as genocide and/or ethnic cleansing someone is being dishonest. The West had no problem with the World Court finding President Putin guilty of war crimes and issuing a global arrest warrant, so perhaps you are right about the World Court. I am very anti-Muslim but genocide is genocide, the attempted destruction of a whole people if accepted by humanity at large, would negate the very meaning of what it is to be human.

Uh oh! Run! It's the thought police!

How are you going to ban Islam? Execute anyone who wears a hijab? Imprison anyone bowing toward Mecca? The U.S. may be violent, but at least we have freedom of speech and of religion, although they are threatened. Popeye, apparently, opposes both.

[popeye1945]

My position is that there are no conditions whatsoever for the attempted destruction, read the genocide of an entire people. If you condone the genocide of the people of Gaza, you relinquish your humanity.

[Alexiev]

My position is that there are no conditions whatsoever for the attempted destruction, read the genocide of an entire people. If you condone the genocide of the people of Gaza, you relinquish your humanity.

And if you try to legally control what other people think, you are subjugating their humanity.

Also, genocide is a very human evil. Other animals are incapable of such abstractions. One doesn't relinquish one's humanity by condoning it, one expresses it (in an evil way).

[popeye1945]

My position is that there are no conditions whatsoever for the attempted destruction, read the genocide of an entire people. If you condone the genocide of the people of Gaza, you relinquish your humanity.

And if you try to legally control what other people think, you are subjugating their humanity.

Also, genocide is a very human evil. Other animals are incapable of such abstractions. One doesn't relinquish one's humanity by condoning it, one expresses it (in an evil way).

The dark side of humanity is a reality, but would you desire humanity to occupy that realm full-time? This is not what humanity wishes to nurture relative to the concept of humanity, with this, we are back in the jungle. America long ago relinquished its humanity and that is what much of the world is reacting to, its desire for world domination is being denied. Come over to the dark side, we have candy!

[Alexiev]

My position is that there are no conditions whatsoever for the attempted destruction, read the genocide of an entire people. If you condone the genocide of the people of Gaza, you relinquish your humanity.

And if you try to legally control what other people think, you are subjugating their humanity.

Also, genocide is a very human evil. Other animals are incapable of such abstractions. One doesn't relinquish one's humanity by condoning it, one expresses it (in an evil way).

The dark side of humanity is a reality, but would you desire humanity to occupy that realm full-time? This is not what humanity wishes to nurture relative to the concept of humanity, with this, we are back in the jungle. America long ago relinquished its humanity and that is what much of the world is reacting to, its desire for world domination is being denied. Come over to the dark side, we have candy!

I'm criticizing your use of "humanity". A wish for domination seems an expression of humanity, not an abandonment of it.

I disapprove of calling human evil "brutal" for the same reason. Brutes can be violent, but they are not evil in specifically human ways.

[popeye1945]

And if you try to legally control what other people think, you are subjugating their humanity.

Also, genocide is a very human evil. Other animals are incapable of such abstractions. One doesn't relinquish one's humanity by condoning it, one expresses it (in an evil way).

The dark side of humanity is a reality, but would you desire humanity to occupy that realm full-time? This is not what humanity wishes to nurture relative to the concept of humanity, with this, we are back in the jungle. America long ago relinquished its humanity and that is what much of the world is reacting to, its desire for world domination is being denied. Come over to the dark side, we have candy!

I'm criticizing your use of "humanity". A wish for domination seems an expression of humanity, not an abandonment of it.

I disapprove of calling human evil "brutal" for the same reason. Brutes can be violent, but they are not evil in specifically human ways.

I appreciate your point about the will to power, but unless we can rise above our animal natures, I believe we are doomed to extinction. Cooperation and compassion for one's kind have been the soil for the growth of civilization. The world is interrelated and interdependent if we are to survive the will to power in the form of violent colonialism must become our unfortunate history. This interrelated, interdependence begs for the concept of cooperation, which is the essence of the political entity of the BRICS federation of nations. The West, however, wishes to maintain its dominance through violent colonialism, resisting what I believe would be an evolutionary step in the world of politics. Corporations, through their governments in the West, control legally, the thinking of their populations, to the extent that the population can deny what stands before them. The world in turmoil needs fresh answers, not a continuation of the violent past.

[Impenitent]

will BRICS be flattened by mortars?

-Imp

[Alexiev]

I appreciate your point about the will to power, but unless we can rise above our animal natures, I believe we are doomed to extinction. Cooperation and compassion for one's kind have been the soil for the growth of civilization. The world is interrelated and interdependent if we are to survive the will to power in the form of violent colonialism must become our unfortunate history. This interrelated, interdependence begs for the concept of cooperation, which is the essence of the political entity of the BRICS federation of nations. The West, however, wishes to maintain its dominance through violent colonialism, resisting what I believe would be an evolutionary step in the world of politics. Corporations, through their governments in the West, control legally, the thinking of their populations, to the extent that the population can deny what stands before them. The world in turmoil needs fresh answers, not a continuation of the violent past.

That's where I disagree. We have to rise above not our "animal natures" but our very human lust for power, money, and glory. I also think your disapproval of corporate "mind control" is strange, given your avowed desire to ban freedom of speech and religion. You seem to support mind control, but only of it promotes your principles.

[popeye1945]

I appreciate your point about the will to power, but unless we can rise above our animal natures, we are doomed to extinction. Cooperation and compassion for one's kind have been the soil for the growth of civilization. The world is interrelated and interdependent if we are to survive the will to power in the form of violent colonialism must become our unfortunate history. This interrelated, interdependence begs for the concept of cooperation, which is the essence of the political entity of the BRICS federation of nations. The West, however, wishes to maintain its dominance through violent colonialism, resisting what I believe would be an evolutionary step in the world of politics. Corporations, through their governments in the West, control legally, the thinking of their populations, to the extent that the population can deny what stands before them. The world in turmoil needs fresh answers, not a continuation of the violent past.

That's where I disagree. We have to rise above not our "animal natures" but our very human lust for power, money, and glory. I also think your disapproval of corporate "mind control" is strange, given your avowed desire to ban freedom of speech and religion. You seem to support mind control, but only if it promotes your principles.

I am no fan of religion across the board, but to ban no, that only creates martyrs. I think you read into my posts what you want to be true. Where did I ever say I had a desire to ban freedom of speech and religion? I am afraid I am losing any sense of good faith in your communications. I support mind control? WOW, I think this dialogue is over. Have a good one!

[Alexiev]

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I am no fan of religion across the board, but to ban no, that only creates martyrs. I think you read into my posts what you want to be true. Where did I ever say I had a desire to ban freedom of speech and religion? I am afraid I am losing any sense of good faith in your communications. I support mind control? WOW, I think this dialogue is over. Have a good one!

Here's what you wrote:

You're reading me wrong; I am not pro-Islam I believe Islam should be banned in the West. In China, it has been banned as a mental illness and I quite agree.

We all misstate our position occasionally, but you can hardly blame me for misinterpreting.

[Age]

Autistic know-nothing freak with compulsive argumentative disorder can fuck off.

Hear hear.

MORALLY WRONG = Hamas

Morally wrong is every human that chants "from the river to the sea" <--- that means annihilating every Jew.

BUT, EVERY "jew" chanting, 'from the river to the sea', KILL EVERY "arab" or "muslim" IS PERFECTLY FINE and OKAY with the likes of ones like "attofishpi" and "accelafine".

The "ONE SIDEDNESS" DISPLAYED BY 'these two' could NOT BE MORE BLATANTLY OBVIOUS.

I have ASKED BEFORE, 'How are 'OPPRESSED people' MEANT TO BEHAVE?' '

These two', here, have CERTAINLY NOT YET RESPONDED and ANSWERED 'this QUESTION'.

HAMAS has said they will continue to do what they did on Oct 7th.

And, LOL "israelies" have said that they will continue to do what they have been doing for decades.

HAMAS is supported by pretty much all GAZANs <-- yes they are that stupid to encourage Israel to bomb their homes to smithereens one day in the future.

'This one', like the 'other one', ACTUALLY BELIEVE that KILLING CHILDREN, by DROPPING BOMBS ON them, not just CAN BE 'justified', but IS ACTUALLY 'justified'. 'These two' have absolutely FOOLED and DECEIVED "themselves" IN TO BELIEVING that 'these ones' having BOMBS DROPPED ON 'them' ARE 'now' ASKING FOR it.

The Jews were in the land now called Israel thousands of years before any Arab started an establishment, and certainly long before the warlord Mor_ham_mad invented Islam - appx 600 years after Christ.

Okay. But, HOW that could be 'JUSTIFIED' in the KILLING OF COMPLETELY INNOCENT lives 'I' WILL NEVER KNOW.

Have HAMAS returned all the hostages? NO therefore the WAR must continue.

Have people from "israel" STOPPED OPPRESSING and/or KILLING human lives?

If no, then OPPRESSED people WILL DO what they DO, ALSO.

Also, and by the way, 'war' can NEVER EVER BE 'justified'. Although 'this' is OBVIOUSLY CONTRARY TO yours and some others BELIEFS, here.

[Age]

How many here know the history of the conflict that started in 1948, or the definition of genocide? Find above the definition of genocide.

1948? The history goes back long before then. The Muslims "Palestinians" refused EVERY land offering, and they lost land on every occasion - ALL along for them it was ALL or wot they got now. AND they still want it ALL - "from the river to the sea" - they're idiots.

If Israel truly wanted to wipe out the Arabs in Gaza - they could do it easy and they certainly wouldn't give prior notice to evacuate when they are about to launch an air strike on the HAMAS rats that hide among civilians.

"attofishpi" do you REALIZE just HOW "one sided" AND CLOSED your REALLY ARE BEING, here?

Which, by the way, is ALSO REVEALING your ABSOLUTE HATRED FOR PARTICULAR GROUP/S OF human beings.

Also, if you REALLY, STILL, can NOT YET SEE the ACTUAL Wrong in TAKING 'land/s', FROM others, and then OFFERING 'land', TO others, then I am NOT SURE that you EVER WILL.