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Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:56 am
by popeye1945
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:52 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:16 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:31 pm
So experience is not purely subjective.
Subjective experience is how you know the world; there is no other way of knowing.
Then by default you are claiming all of this is limited by your own head and what you state becomes less an expression of absolute truth and more of a relativistic state of your current mind.
Yes, your everyday life, your apparent reality, is biologically dependent; it exists as it is for you. Your experiences are knowledge and meaning relative to the state of your biology. The energies that surround you play your biology like an instrument, and the melody it plays for you alone is apparent reality, your everyday reality. You do not experience what is; you experience how what is alters your biology. You and the energies that surround you together create your reality that is meaningful to the survival and well-being of your continued existence, temporarily.
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:35 pm
by Eodnhoj7
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:56 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:52 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:16 pm
Subjective experience is how you know the world; there is no other way of knowing.
Then by default you are claiming all of this is limited by your own head and what you state becomes less an expression of absolute truth and more of a relativistic state of your current mind.
Yes, your everyday life, your apparent reality, is biologically dependent; it exists as it is for you. Your experiences are knowledge and meaning relative to the state of your biology. The energies that surround you play your biology like an instrument, and the melody it plays for you alone is apparent reality, your everyday reality. You do not experience what is; you experience how what is alters your biology. You and the energies that surround you together create your reality that is meaningful to the survival and well-being of your continued existence, temporarily.
That is purely your subjective experience.
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:36 am
by popeye1945
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:35 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:56 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:52 am
Then by default you are claiming all of this is limited by your own head and what you state becomes less an expression of absolute truth and more of a relativistic state of your current mind.
Yes, your everyday life, your apparent reality, is biologically dependent; it exists as it is for you. Your experiences are knowledge and meaning relative to the state of your biology. The energies that surround you play your biology like an instrument, and the melody it plays for you alone is apparent reality, your everyday reality. You do not experience what is; you experience how what is alters your biology. You and the energies that surround you together create your reality that is meaningful to the survival and well-being of your continued existence, temporarily.
That is purely your subjective experience.
Yes, and this is true of every organism. To a degree, it makes each organism an island unto itself, for each organism is the source of its meanings and truths about the world it inhabits, and these are always true to the nature of its biology.
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:25 am
by Martin Peter Clarke
Jessica Biel's quite mesmerizing.
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:10 am
by popeye1945
Martin, could you expand somewhat---lol!!
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:23 pm
by Eodnhoj7
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:36 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:35 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:56 am
Yes, your everyday life, your apparent reality, is biologically dependent; it exists as it is for you. Your experiences are knowledge and meaning relative to the state of your biology. The energies that surround you play your biology like an instrument, and the melody it plays for you alone is apparent reality, your everyday reality. You do not experience what is; you experience how what is alters your biology. You and the energies that surround you together create your reality that is meaningful to the survival and well-being of your continued existence, temporarily.
That is purely your subjective experience.
Yes, and this is true of every organism. To a degree, it makes each organism an island unto itself, for each organism is the source of its meanings and truths about the world it inhabits, and these are always true to the nature of its biology.
If you see yourself as an island unto yourself are you sure that you see other islands? Or just yourself?
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:07 pm
by popeye1945
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:23 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:36 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:35 pm
That is purely your subjective experience.
Yes, and this is true of every organism. To a degree, it makes each organism an island unto itself, for each organism is the source of its meanings and truths about the world it inhabits, and these are always true to the nature of its biology.
If you see yourself as an island unto yourself are you sure that you see other islands? Or just yourself?
That is where the loneliness of the spirit comes in. Other people are largely objects in one's world, as is one's body/object, but one is more in touch with one's own body than that of others. The more you can emotionally and intellectually connect with those other objects/persons, the less they are simply objects, and you know you are not alone in the world. That is why marriage is an opportunity to bridge the gap, so to speak, but ideally, it doesn't happen as often as it should. Seeing yourself in others is when compassion arises in the heart, no identification with others, no compassion, and compassion is the foundation of any given society. It is perhaps the most common error of humanity, believing because there are bodies around you, you are not alone. When you are not connecting emotionally and/or intellectually, you are alone. It is a very lonely world out there,
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:20 am
by Eodnhoj7
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:23 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:36 am
Yes, and this is true of every organism. To a degree, it makes each organism an island unto itself, for each organism is the source of its meanings and truths about the world it inhabits, and these are always true to the nature of its biology.
If you see yourself as an island unto yourself are you sure that you see other islands? Or just yourself?
That is where the loneliness of the spirit comes in. Other people are largely objects in one's world, as is one's body/object, but one is more in touch with one's own body than that of others. The more you can emotionally and intellectually connect with those other objects/persons, the less they are simply objects, and you know you are not alone in the world. That is why marriage is an opportunity to bridge the gap, so to speak, but ideally, it doesn't happen as often as it should. Seeing yourself in others is when compassion arises in the heart, no identification with others, no compassion, and compassion is the foundation of any given society. It is perhaps the most common error of humanity, believing because there are bodies around you, you are not alone. When you are not connecting emotionally and/or intellectually, you are alone. It is a very lonely world out there,
Given we are limited by experience others are merely variations of ourselves.
Re: The Perfect Form
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:31 am
by popeye1945
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:20 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:23 pm
If you see yourself as an island unto yourself are you sure that you see other islands? Or just yourself?
That is where the loneliness of the spirit comes in. Other people are largely objects in one's world, as is one's body/object, but one is more in touch with one's own body than that of others. The more you can emotionally and intellectually connect with those other objects/persons, the less they are simply objects, and you know you are not alone in the world. That is why marriage is an opportunity to bridge the gap, so to speak, but ideally, it doesn't happen as often as it should. Seeing yourself in others is when compassion arises in the heart, no identification with others, no compassion, and compassion is the foundation of any given society. It is perhaps the most common error of humanity, believing because there are bodies around you, you are not alone. When you are not connecting emotionally and/or intellectually, you are alone. It is a very lonely world out there,
Given we are limited by experience others are merely variations of ourselves.
That's an interesting way to put it, but yes. There is a saying in the Hindu Upanishads, " The self in one is the self in all." Schopenhauer once stated about people who violate the first principle of life by risking their own lives in an attempt to save another, this is a metaphysical realization that you and the other are one. Science knows that humans are related to every living thing. Also, there are many life forms on the planet, but they are all of one essence, we call life. So, we are all in this together; let's try to play our roles as decently as possible.