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bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:50 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:40 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:09 pm
Are you wise enough? If yes then what is your interpretation of the end of time?

The end of time would simply be the end of events (causality).

So, there would be no Heaven and Hell!?

Non-sequitur.

bahman wrote:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:36 pm

bahman wrote:
Finding the truth has nothing to do with being tested. You find the truth through thinking.

Says the guy that still thinks weird crap like there are demons talking to him. If you had more faith in Christ, you'd actually learn about the true nature of reality REAL_IT_Y - that God did not program into the system little demons to annoy you.

Yes GOD and the sages TEST your thinking. (well, they do with me)

I think you are mixing intention with thinking!

I think U don't think.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:58 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:50 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:40 pm

The end of time would simply be the end of events (causality).

So, there would be no Heaven and Hell!?

Non-sequitur.

It is not. If the end of time is the end of events then you cannot move, talk, or be involved in any activity in Heaven or Hell!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:36 pm

bahman wrote:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:36 pm

Says the guy that still thinks weird crap like there are demons talking to him. If you had more faith in Christ, you'd actually learn about the true nature of reality REAL_IT_Y - that God did not program into the system little demons to annoy you.

Yes GOD and the sages TEST your thinking. (well, they do with me)

I think you are mixing intention with thinking!

I think U don't think.

I think you are confused!

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:26 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:58 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:50 pm
So, there would be no Heaven and Hell!?

Non-sequitur.

It is not. If the end of time is the end of events then you cannot move, talk, or be involved in any activity in Heaven or Hell!

Because you believe buy bull rubbish - that heaven and hell are for eternity.

bahman wrote:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:36 pm

bahman wrote: I think you are mixing intention with thinking!

I think U don't think.

I think you are confused!

If I'm confused then your brain is pure chaos.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:31 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:26 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:58 pm

Non-sequitur.

It is not. If the end of time is the end of events then you cannot move, talk, or be involved in any activity in Heaven or Hell!

Because you believe buy bull rubbish - that heaven and hell are for eternity.

I didn't talk about eternity. If the of time is the end of events then you cannot have a temporary experience at all even for a short period.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:36 pm

bahman wrote:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:36 pm

I think U don't think.

I think you are confused!

If I'm confused then your brain is pure chaos.

How do you know?

cbf mate, cbf.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:42 pm cbf mate, cbf.

Ok, I consider that an end of argumentation on your side! Dude, why not continue the discussion so things become clear to both of us?

No hard feelings Fish but i don't think u are able to understand what I'm saying.

If your god exists, there is no such thing as chaos or probability from his perspective. From ours, sure, but not his. Everything that exists is absolutely determined by him to do exactly what it does when it does it. The quantum, the atomic, the molecular, all of it operates precisely as he designed it to.

Wait should i be using gender neutral terms for god? I can't keep up with this stuff man.

Anyway, no. God's compooter program can't malfunction, becuz if it did, it means the behavior of some part of the program or the forces affecting it was unpredictable to him. It means that when he conceived of thing x and decided to create it, there was something about x that he didn't know. But wait.... the thing didn't exist until he had the idea of it and created it... so there couldn't be some mystery thing that might do something he neither wanted it to do or couldn't prevent it from doing. Make sense?

God: hold on. I designed rogue electrons to spin off their orbits when such and such happens... so why didn't that electron spin off its orbit just now when it was supposed to?

Ah, now u understand. I'll be damned. But be sure to forget what i just explained to u and repeat your confused argument again in the future, please, so someone else can become confused too. If u could go ahead and do that, that would be great, mmkay?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:48 pm No hard feelings Fish but i don't think u are able to understand what I'm saying.

If your god exists, there is no such thing as chaos or probability from his perspective.

FFS. Non-sequitur. Seriously, why would I bother reading the rest of you post after that CRAP?

re chaos. I believe GOD formed from chaos, thus it is likely to be able to reflect upon from whence it came..thus there is such a thing as 'chaos' and 'probability' from "his" persepective.


1. I KNOW GOD EXISTS - as an entity that is OMNIPOTENT to what we perceive as REALITY.

THAT'S ALL I AM CERTAIN OF REGARDING THIS ENTITY CALLED GOD.

SO.

If you want to discuss GOD from point 1. perspective - then sure, let's have some.

Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 pm Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.

Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:56 pm

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 pm Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.

Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.

Clearly U don't think. OR. U don't think clearly.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:54 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:56 pm

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 pm Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.

Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.

Clearly U don't think. OR. U don't think clearly.

Please define Chaos. Please explain the mechanism by which you could have order from disorder.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:38 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:54 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:56 pm
Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.

Clearly U don't think. OR. U don't think clearly.

Please define Chaos. Please explain the mechanism by which you could have order from disorder.

A place of no logic, no causality that eventually via random chance formed into matter and energy and order.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:48 pm If your god exists, there is no such thing as chaos or probability from his perspective. From ours, sure, but not his. Everything that exists is absolutely determined by him to do exactly what it does when it does it. The quantum, the atomic, the molecular, all of it operates precisely as he designed it to.

According to Tarski's semantic theory of truth, it is possible to know the complete truth of even an otherwise incomplete theory, if you can build a meta system along the lines of convention T.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semanti ... y_of_truth

It requires a second encompassing metasystem of which you also know the theory. We would never be able to do that, because it requires God-like capabilities.

So, God uses convention T to know the complete truth of our universe.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:09 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:38 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:54 am

Clearly U don't think. OR. U don't think clearly.

Please define Chaos. Please explain the mechanism by which you could have order from disorder.

A place of no logic, no causality that eventually via random chance formed into matter and energy and order.

If there is no causality then there cannot be any change therefore you cannot have order from disorder.