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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:16 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:18 am you, once again, seem to be having a great deal of trouble differentiating between the two different meanings here.

Well, at least you used the word 'seem', otherwise you would have been mistaken.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am Just confirming my point.

If no, then 'now' you do.

The only way I am 'judging' here is like when I 'judge' 'a sheep' as an animal, which has four legs, wool, and eats grass.

OK, great. Then all I am doing when I judge you and your behavior here doing the above.

Okay. But, now I am not sure why 'you' want 'me' to seek out 'help' from others, to change.

I am sure you are not sure. Let me know if you want to take a guess.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am

I am not saying anything 'negative', nor 'positive', at all. I am just pointing out what those labels can mean or refer to, exactly.

Sure, me too.

Are you absolutely 'sure' that this is all you are doing, here?

You have a very narrowed, and even closed, way of looking at things.

Are you absolutely sure

I've informed you before about my assertions in relation to the words with 'absolute' as a root. You don't remember things.

Of course, it is judging you people. But, it is not 'judging' you people in any 'negative' or 'criticizing' way.

You have a very narrowed, and even closed, way of looking at things

Which is what you cannot seem to comprehend, and understand, here.

You have a very narrowed, and even closed, way of looking at things

Once again, this one, because of its beliefs, is not able to 'recognize' nor 'see' anything past what it is 'currently' holding onto as being true.

You have a very narrowed, and even closed, way of looking at things
You, Age, are, obviously, absolutely closed to ever 'listening' 'to me' or ever even beginning to ever try to just 'understand' 'me'.

So, I will leave you alone here to believe absolutely any thing want 'about me'.

I'm not alone.

If you, Age, want to believe that I am alone while you never ever produce absolutely any actual thing that backs up and supports this belief, here, then, by all means, keep on doing that.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am I and others are merely describing him, as one might describe a goat, for example.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am

Great.

Thank you.

This one will find that if he stops doing certain things then the descriptions of him will change.

See how absolutely 'vague' this one can be, and is?

You seem to, really, not be able to work things out here, at all. You have already forgotten specific behaviors that I have criticized, even in recent posts. This is unfortunate. Not so much the specific, but that you have memory issues. You seem to notice when I satirize your way of communicating. Perhaps you don't realize this indicates certain things that it would be good if you stopped.

LOL If I, supposedly, stop doing 'certain things', then ...

I explain the exact specific things that I suggest you change. Whereas all you can, vaguely, refer to is 'certain things'. Which could be just about absolutely any thing here.

Oh, dear. You really do have a memory problem.

But, I am interested in 'the words', under the label "iwannaplato". Whereas, 'you' are interested in 'me'.

As you keep, clearly, showing, and proving, here.

Hm. This is a lie. You've gossiped about my behavior in threads that weren't on the same topic. OH, wait, sorry. It might not be a lie. This could also be a memory issue.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am OK, great. I'll ignore your earlier assertion that you would prefer I stop doing this.

Again, 'we' see the use of the vague 'this'.

You're right. Given your memory issues, I should have quoted what you'd said in another post. I can't expect you to remember what you say, nor for whatever you say about yourself to be true, so you have continued access to it.

But, I just pointed out that if 'that one' just stopped having those 'APE beliefs', then it would, also, stop having those totally human being distorted views of truth, and, of reality.

Sure, and if you stopped doing the things that I pointed out, your communication would be less toxic and you'd find people interested in collaborating with you, interested in your ideas, etc.

Are you slow, or some thing else,

Did someone call you slow and now you look for opportunities to aim this at others.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am This one seems to think that the sentences would not be ad hom if APE meant something other than what I think it does.

What a Truly stupid thing to think, and claim. I never ever thought any such thing, nor would have ever though any such thing, as this, here.

Oh, great. The way you wrote indicated you were saying something your consider Truly stupid. Oh, continue to never clarify, which is what others would do in this situation. Just pseudo-clarify but saying what it doesn't mean. I understand that it can only ever possibly help a conversation move forward if one only clarifies when directly asked.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am Notice how this one avoids taking any clear stand on the issue. He implies things.

LOL Once again you are the one 'implying' things, here, by being 'very vague' by using the word 'issue', here.

I get it, memories issues. I'll have to mull over how to communicate with you given your complete disconnection from context. I thought you had a forest/trees issue, but it seems to be a short term to long term memory transfer issue.

I will find a better way to communicate with someone with that issue. (oh, God...by 'that issue' I mean the memory problem you have.)

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am Of course. In fact you put more effort into avoiding it, often with more words than it would take to clarify. Which is fine.

OF COURSE I DO.

And, I have, already, on many, many occasions explained, exactly, why I do.

I agreed with you.

How many times do you have to be informed that I do things for very specific reasons.

I never needed to be informed of this.
Everyone does things for specific reasons.

Therefore, I do not, directly, inform you human beings of some things, for very specific reasons. And, if you had any 'curiosity' left here, then you would ask and find out why.

You seem to have forgotten that I once asked you questions for a long time about a similar issue. Eventually you even told me my questions were not phrased correctly. So, I ignored your tone and simply rephrased it the way you suggested. Then you told me you couldn't/wouldn't answer it. I know you can't remember the past very well, so you likely won't believe this happened. But your inability to remember isn't, in this instance and perhaps others, going to inhibit me from telling the truth. Instead of, at the beginning of the process, telling me you weren't going to answer, you presented as series of hoops, down the wording. When I finally did all that according to your expectations, you refused to answer. And now, that leads to LOL. At the time it was irritating.

There have been other ways you have made asking clarifying questions or asking for explanations unnecessarily Sisyphus-ian.

One of the consequences is that I lost interest in the processes you chide people for not carrying out.

I won't even bother to point out the hypocrisy of how you treated my asking for clarification around 'absolute'.

Once again, this could be 'projection', at its best.

I actually do believe you believe that.

And, if, as you claim, 'I' reveal a lot, then what is 'it', that I am, actually, doing here.

I've told you in dozens of posts and hundreds of assertions what you are doing here.

Please, show 'us', just once, that you can, actually, back up and support your beliefs and claims here.

Nah, I'll take a card from your approach to communication and avoid, with you, doing any more of that.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am it was you who judged judging. Which is funny in a couple of ways.

So, once more, absolutely no clarification is provided, at all.

Because you need to ask yourself. If you actually read my post and remembered it, then you would notice that I worked from your attitude about judging, which I quoted. You need to ask yourself what is wrong with judging.

I think judging can be fine, in either of the two senses you have mentioned, depending on the context.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:08 pm But the way you communicate....it implies and or states that you are not like us.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:43 am Well, as you said when I asked for clarification about absolute...

you seem to, really, not be able to work things out here, at all.

So, to you, what I said and wrote here, implies or states, to you, that 'I' am not like 'you', human beings.

Okay.

Or, it's possible you have not merely a very poor way of communicating, but tremendous resistance when such things are pointed out to you. And if the latter is the case, you perhaps don't know your own motivations so well yourself.

I would thank Age for continuing to reveal more of what he is doing here, but I am not necessarily writing this post to communicate with him. I could say one way or the other, but it's fun to avoid clarity, by saying what I am not necessarily doing. LOL

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:42 pm Is it on purpose that this thread has Age written in the title as "age"?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:42 pm If so, why?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:42 pm Is this thread not about Age?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:48 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:42 pm Is it on purpose that this thread has Age written in the title as "age"?
If so, why?
Is this thread not about Age?

Why did people, back in the days when this was written, make so many assumptions instead of just asking?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:42 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:47 pm I can never work out if you're just approaching Age kinda like how a communication trainer would and are merely making dispassionate observations, or you're the devil incarnate himself and are putting Age through some next level torture where you are expecting her to behave as if she was a normal human being, even though she seems to be missing some crucial brain/mind parts so it's impossible for her to do so.

I don't want to rule out the potential for Age accurately introspecting and being affected by what he notices. Not ruling that out might make me cruel, yes.

Where did you find this out:

Age was hit as a child because of her/his inability to understand basic human? Would explain a lot..

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:49 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:45 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:48 pm

Why did people, back in the days when this was written, make so many assumptions instead of just asking?

Because they weren't necessarily communicating with the people whose posts they were quoting.

If 'you' could just ASK me instead of 'going' into this CONVERSATION thinking you know 'everything', then maybe you will learn some phil-o-sophy.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:45 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:48 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:42 pm Is it on purpose that this thread has Age written in the title as "age"?
If so, why?
Is this thread not about Age?

Why did people, back in the days when this was written, make so many assumptions instead of just asking?

Because they weren't necessarily communicating with the people whose posts they were quoting.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:20 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:48 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:42 pm Is it on purpose that this thread has Age written in the title as "age"?
If so, why?
Is this thread not about Age?

Why did people, back in the days when this was written, make so many assumptions instead of just asking?

Great question "flannel jesus".

But, is this question directed to anyone in particular, or maybe just towards "your" own 'self' alone?

Do 'you' already 'know' 'the answer', or would 'you' like 'the answer' given to 'you'?

Or, maybe 'you' would like more time to contemplate on it and answer it for, and by, "your" own 'self'?

'The, actual, answer', by the way, is a very simple and easy one, and a very enlightening one as well.'The answer' will also come about very, very quickly, also, that is once you are Truly open and already have the 'know-how' of how to find these Truly meaningful and enlightening answers, in Life.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:20 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:42 pm Where did you find this out:

Age was hit as a child because of her/his inability to understand basic human? Would explain a lot..

I was merely wondering.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:20 pm Age who generally doesn't know anything about human interactions, suddenly came up with a rather specific scenario, I was merely wondering if it came from experience.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:55 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am I have never his a child and I do not call it love when others do.

Did your parents ever hit you, punish you, humiliate you, or ridicule you?

If no, are you sure?

But, if yes, then did they 'try to justify' this Wrong behaving as 'you needed this', or, 'I do this because I love you', or, 'It's tough love'?

Could they have done this kind of 'attempts at justification' without you ever hearing those exact words?

Also, why have you never hit a child? Do you have children?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:49 pm Ah okay.

Are you at all aware that what you said and wrote here can come across as a fact that you claim to know about?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:49 pm Ah okay.

Are you at all aware that what you said and wrote here can come across as a fact that you claim to know about?

And, were you aware that you do this quite often, actually? As can be seen here, in this forum, by the amount of differing, claimed to be true, diagnoses, which you have made 'about me', here.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:49 pm Ah okay.

Are you at all aware that what you said and wrote here can come across as a fact that you claim to know about?

And, were you aware that you do this quite often, actually? As can be seen here, in this forum, by the amount of differing, claimed to be true, diagnoses, which you have made 'about me', here.

It can come across to you like that, certainly. And are you aware that I may be doing this on purpose?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:25 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:49 pm Ah okay.

Are you at all aware that what you said and wrote here can come across as a fact that you claim to know about?

And, were you aware that you do this quite often, actually? As can be seen here, in this forum, by the amount of differing, claimed to be true, diagnoses, which you have made 'about me', here.

It can come across to you like that, certainly. And are you aware that I may be doing this on purpose?

and further, we may have to keep reminding Age that your intended target audience is not necessarily Age.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:34 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:25 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:18 pm
It can come across to you like that, certainly. And are you aware that I may be doing this on purpose?

and further, we may have to keep reminding Age that your intended target audience is not necessarily Age.

Or that I don't even necessarily need to have a target audience, when I'm exploring the darker things of psychology.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:49 pm Ah okay.

Are you at all aware that what you said and wrote here can come across as a fact that you claim to know about?

Actually, you posted it in the OP, without quotes. It comes across as you opening the thread and telling us something about yourself in the third person, which, given your idiosyncrasies, would be par for the course.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pm Is it true?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pm Were you hit as a child?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pmIs that why you posted it without attributing it to Atla?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:02 pm Could it have been an unconscious motivation?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:25 pm Are you sure that 'this answer' is for all of you people here, in the days when this is being written here?
Or, is it for some, only?