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Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:03 am Are you at all familiar with the emotional anger and fear that drives the thinking of so many men?

That's a very pointless question. Most men aren't aware that their own behaviour is the product of anger and fear.

We often have very elaborate alternative explanations. It's uesful tool which serves our noble goals - a powerful motivator, blah blah.

It's not entirely false either - to somebody who doesn't know any better it's the only motivator they have.

Takes lots of self-knowledge to harnes the anger and turn it into a force for good!

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:14 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:03 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:37 am I mean men tend to have their emotional and thinking sides more distinct and women have them more unified.

Are you at all familiar with the emotional anger and fear that drives the thinking of so many men?

Yes, and are you at all familiar with the fact that women can do it too? And I don't think that really explains what's going on with Age either.

I already suggested this is about mental illness. You're the one who tried to assign a gender... which shows what you are about.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:24 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:14 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:03 am
Are you at all familiar with the emotional anger and fear that drives the thinking of so many men?

Yes, and are you at all familiar with the fact that women can do it too? And I don't think that really explains what's going on with Age either.

I already suggested this is about mental illness. You're the one who tried to assign a gender... which shows what you are about.

Yes I'm about not accepting your bullshit where women are perfect beings. Because when someone bitches a lot and has a lot of emotion inherent in their stances, then that can ONLY be a mentally ill man right?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:17 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:03 am Are you at all familiar with the emotional anger and fear that drives the thinking of so many men?

That's a very pointless question.

The only thing that is pointless is your input.

My response was to Atla's statement: 'I mean men tend to have their emotional and thinking sides more distinct and women have them more unified.'

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:17 amMost men aren't aware that their own behaviour is the product of anger and fear.

That changes nothing. Their 'emotional and thinking sides' (as Atla words it) are not as distinct as Atla claimed.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:38 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:17 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:03 am Are you at all familiar with the emotional anger and fear that drives the thinking of so many men?

That's a very pointless question.

The only thing that is pointless is your input.

My response was to Atla's statement: 'I mean men tend to have their emotional and thinking sides more distinct and women have them more unified.'

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:17 amMost men aren't aware that their own behaviour is the product of anger and fear.

That changes nothing. Their 'emotional and thinking sides' (as Atla words it) are not as distinct as Atla claimed.

It's probably because you think my input is pointless is why you keep missing the point.

There are men who are aware of their anger/fear and they integrate/unify that into their story about who they are. And so when you challenge them on their anger issues - they will tell you that it's a powerful motivator.

And there are men who have ironed their anger out of their psyche by self-design. They are also unified with their feelings. But their feelings no longer harness any anger.

Who is more or less unified is a pointless debate. Once you unify your emotions and your thought - you still need to decide on the content of your character. You can be perfectly unified with your fear and anger.

And it's also a totally separate issue on whether having thoughts and feelings "more distinct" is itself a source of anger and frustration.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:32 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:24 am I already suggested this is about mental illness. You're the one who tried to assign a gender... which shows what you are about.

Yes I'm about not accepting your bullshit where women are perfect beings. Because when someone bitches a lot and has a lot of emotion inherent in their stances, then that can ONLY be a mentally ill man right?

No, there are mentally ill women too. Again, you are the one who suggested Age was female, and I asked why. Your answers don't make sense... and they betray that you think only women would act in such a way. Now you're trying to redirect your bullshit onto me, claiming that I think women are perfect, and that I'm uniquely accusing men -- neither of which are true. Are you mentally ill too?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:50 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:32 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:24 am I already suggested this is about mental illness. You're the one who tried to assign a gender... which shows what you are about.

Yes I'm about not accepting your bullshit where women are perfect beings. Because when someone bitches a lot and has a lot of emotion inherent in their stances, then that can ONLY be a mentally ill man right?

No, there are mentally ill women too. Again, you are the one who suggested Age was female, and I asked why. Your answers don't make sense... and they betray that you think only women would act in such a way. Now you're trying to redirect your bullshit onto me, claiming that I think women are perfect, and that I'm uniquely accusing men -- neither of which are true. Are you mentally ill too?

Or maybe it says something about you that your gut reaction is that I must think that "only women would act in such a way", which would be clearly completely insane on my part.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:40 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:38 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:17 am
That's a very pointless question.

The only thing that is pointless is your input.

My response was to Atla's statement: 'I mean men tend to have their emotional and thinking sides more distinct and women have them more unified.'

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:17 amMost men aren't aware that their own behaviour is the product of anger and fear.

That changes nothing. Their 'emotional and thinking sides' (as Atla words it) are not as distinct as Atla claimed.

It's probably because you think my input is pointless is why you keep missing the point.

No, your input really is pointless.

I'm well aware that there can be many ways that all people deal with their emotions... and many excuses they can come up with to justify how that affects their thinking and actions.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:05 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:40 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:38 am
The only thing that is pointless is your input.

My response was to Atla's statement: 'I mean men tend to have their emotional and thinking sides more distinct and women have them more unified.'


That changes nothing. Their 'emotional and thinking sides' (as Atla words it) are not as distinct as Atla claimed.

It's probably because you think my input is pointless is why you keep missing the point.

No, your input really is pointless.

I'm well aware that there can be many ways that all people deal with their emotions... and many excuses they can come up with to justify how that affects their thinking and actions.

So how are you coping with the dismissive attitude you've unified into your character?

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:55 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:50 am Again, you are the one who suggested Age was female, and I asked why. Your answers don't make sense... and they betray that you think only women would act in such a way.

...that I must think that "only women would act in such a way", which would be clearly completely insane on my part.

Yes, it would be kind of stupid if that's what you thought. The insane part is because of the way you keep changing your answers, and then try to deflect onto me. At this point, I don't care anymore... and I think my work here is done.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:17 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:55 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:50 am Again, you are the one who suggested Age was female, and I asked why. Your answers don't make sense... and they betray that you think only women would act in such a way.

...that I must think that "only women would act in such a way", which would be clearly completely insane on my part.

Yes, it would be kind of stupid if that's what you thought. The insane part is because of the way you keep changing your answers, and then try to deflect onto me. At this point, I don't care anymore... and I think my work here is done.

Well whatever you say. Meanwhile, in my experience men tend to have their thinking and feeling more distinct and women tend to have them more unified, and these gender differences tend to be present in autistic people too.

Plus women tend to have a greater social capacity, so while autistic men tend to whine a lot about more abstract issues, autistic women tend to bitch a lot about other people not understanding them. Which is kinda what Age does.

That said Age could also be a male, as I said I don't know.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:12 am So how are you coping with the dismissive attitude you've unified into your character?

Well, that's a distortion -- and an example of why I typically avoid interacting with you. You are manipulative and aggressive, and I don't see much point in interacting with that.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:24 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:12 am So how are you coping with the dismissive attitude you've unified into your character?

Well, that's a distortion -- and an example of why I typically avoid interacting with you. You are manipulative and aggressive, and I don't see much point in interacting with that.

Which part of you actually dismissing me during a constructive dialogue was a distortion?

Nothing I've said to you in this conversation has been manipulative or aggressive. The interaction devolved merely because of your feelings towards me.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:25 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:24 am You are manipulative and aggressive, and I don't see much point in interacting with that.

You are confusing my past behaviour with my present behaviour. Error of judgment on your part, is all.

Not interested. Good luck to you.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:30 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:25 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:24 am You are manipulative and aggressive, and I don't see much point in interacting with that.

You are confusing my past behaviour with my present behaviour. Error of judgment on your part, is all.

Not interested. Good luck to you.

That's fine. Then we shall leave the question hanging...

So how are you coping with the dismissive attitude you've unified into your character?