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attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:54 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:36 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:43 am


Ok. So I've had some time to have a read of the links.

From what I can understand, the Pleiades generally follow the ecliptic, the path of the Sun on Earths revolution. So it's clearly important to people from dare I say pre-dawn that this star cluster would be important, addressing important things such as the seasons.

This is the thing - an important accomplishment of humans since the dawn of 'thinking' has been that they have used celestial observations to calculate important things such as when to plant crops, how to navigate the globe etc..AND have built structures to MARK these observations.

I hope I can find the original Randall Carlson video, but surely even to Sculptor the dimensions of the base of the great pyramid to the top accurately representing the size/shape of the globe including the equatorial bulge must be at least impressive.

But would just the replicating of star systems, or the writing, copying, or noting, down of measurements by itself necessarily MEAN that 'you', human beings, have COME FROM some so-called 'extraterrestrial beings'?

I've already answered this with a NO!

But I NEVER saw "sculptor" was NOT 'impressed'. So, I would SAY that "sculptor" would be 'impressed', in some way, by those buildings. you implied that "sculptor" was NOT 'impressed' AT ALL by those buildings and their measurements.

I just SAW "sculptor" SAYING that those created buildings, by themselves, did NOT necessarily mean that human beings necessarily CAME FROM so-called 'extraterrestrial beings'.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:45 am
I'd say its more because the atoms that were created by these past stars formed into molecules and then arranged in such a complex way to give rise to intelligent sentience, and then that sentient being, us decided to question things further...that's why knowledge of being made of star stuff isn't quite enough!

If you say so.
But, I have to disagree with your view. I'm more inclined to glean from what A Einstein said..which was.. “The greatest illusion in this world is the illusion of separation.”

It's obvious, well to me it is anyway, that all our 'Questions' can only arise to the illusory sense of separation. Where there is the sense of separation, questions spontaneously arise seeking out the origin of this apparent personal individuality, albeit illusory. Rendering the nature of knowledge illusory, in the sense that 'knowledge' can only point to the illusory nature of existence, insofar as existence can only be none other than 'one undivided interconnected whole' where separation is simply impossible.

The apparent questioning of reality is an illusory fictional phenomena; known as the seer looking for itself in the seen, which is impossible, for the seer is always that which is 'looking' and never that which is 'looked upon'.


The seer can never cross the horizon of further or beyond in the vain, deluded attempt to catch a glimpse of it's own seeing eye because it's everywhere all at once, one without a second...and that's always enough.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:45 am
I'd say its more because the atoms that were created by these past stars formed into molecules and then arranged in such a complex way to give rise to intelligent sentience, and then that sentient being, us decided to question things further...that's why knowledge of being made of star stuff isn't quite enough!

If you say so.
But, I have to disagree with your view. I'm more inclined to glean from what A Einstein said..which was.. “The greatest illusion in this world is the illusion of separation.”

It's obvious, well to me it is anyway, that all our 'Questions' can only arise to the illusory sense of separation.

SO WHAT?

'They' ARISE, and FALL.

But, AGAIN, SO WHAT?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am
Where there is the sense of separation, questions spontaneously arise seeking out the origin of this apparent personal individuality, albeit illusory.

WHO CARES?

'They' ARISE, which means that 'they' DO COME FROM the 'things' known as 'you', human beings, which ARE A PART OF thee One.

Which then, ULTIMATELY, MEANS QUESTIONS DO ARISE FROM thee One, which, OBVIOUSLY, is NOT AN 'illusion'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am Rendering the nature of knowledge illusory, in the sense that 'knowledge' can only point to the illusory nature of existence,

What A STUPID CONCLUSION and ASSERTION, BASED UPON, VERY SADLY, another False, Wrong, Incorrect, and STUPID ASSUMPTION.

Just because "dontaskme" does NOT YET have the KNOWLEDGE of what IS IRREFUTABLY True AND Right does NOT mean that 'knowledge', itself, can ONLY 'point to' the ALLEGED and STUPIDLY CLAIMED 'illusory nature of existence'.

To 'TRY TO' CLAIM that 'Existence', Itself, IS ILLUSORY is just TO ABSURD and TO RIDICULOUS to FURTHER talk ABOUT and MENTION.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am insofar as existence can only be none other than 'one undivided interconnected whole' where separation is simply impossible.

IF 'you', and/or "albert einstein", WANT/ED TO EVER DISCOVER and LEARN what the IRREFUTABLE Truth IS here, then REJECTING 'separation', itself, WHOLLY and COMPLETELY will NEVER ALLOW 'you' TO SEE that 'separation', just like 'nothing', is JUST ANOTHER PART OF the WHOLE One.

That is; WITHOUT 'separation' AND 'nothing', themselves, in one form or another, the undivided, interconnected WHOLE One. Or, in other words, WITHOUT areas of 'separation' AND of 'nothing', then the WHOLE One could NOT exist, as 'It' DOES HERE-NOW.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am The apparent questioning of reality is an illusory fictional phenomena;

1. What do 'you' mean by 'apparent' 'questioning of reality is an illusory fictional phenomena'? Is there, REALLY, NO 'questioning' going on, to 'you'?

2. What do 'you' mean by 'apparent questioning of reality'? NO one here, that I know of, is questioning 'Reality', Itself. From what I observe 'you', people, and 'I' are just asking questions.

3. HOW COME 'you' can, supposedly, DIFFERENTIATE between what IS REALLY HAPPENING, FROM what is some so-called 'illusory fictional phenomena'?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am known as the seer looking for itself in the seen, which is impossible, for the seer is always that which is 'looking' and never that which is 'looked upon'.

That WAS, UNTIL thee 'I', and One, CAME-TO-KNOW thy Self. Which, OBVIOUSLY, 'you', human beings, have NOT EVOLVED THIS FAR, YET. As PROVED True BY 'your' INABILITY to ANSWER, and TO KNOW the ANSWER TO, the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?' properly AND correctly.

ONCE 'you' have ALSO ARRIVED at THIS DESTINATION, THEN 'you' WILL ALSO SEE, and UNDERSTAND, just HOW SIMPLE and EASY it REALLY IS TO SEE, and UNDERSTAND FULLY, thee 'Seer'.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am The seer can never cross the horizon of further or beyond in the vain, deluded attempt to catch a glimpse of it's own seeing eye because it's everywhere all at once, one without a second...and that's always enough.

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LOL
LOL
LOL

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of one who is VERY LIMITED in their ABILITY TO SEE, to LEARN, to UNCOVER, to DISCOVER, and to COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND.

This one ACTUALLY BELIEVES that BECAUSE 'it' has NOT YET been ABLE TO DO some 'thing', then ABSOLUTELY NO one FOREVER MORE could NEITHER. This one is ACTING and SPEAKING LIKE those who ONCE CLAIMED that EVERY 'thing' that could BE INVENTED has ALREADY BEEN INVENTED.

This one is SHOWING a PRIME example of 'confirmation bias' in 'its' PRIMEST example.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:37 am
This one

Is the only one, and can only be every other one, in fact, this one, is indeed the many of one.

This One is always and ever this zero distance from itself.

'' I am an only child '' < A metaphor for oneness.

I am a bastard, having no biological father, especially one whom calls itself God.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:48 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:28 pm how do you account for the extensive and growing evidence of human evolution?

Don't things grow after you plant them? Don't we manipulate things all the time to change what they turn into? Why couldn't more advanced extraterrestrials do that to human beings?

And when do you think they were planted?
Evolution can bt traced back billions of years.
If an alien "planted" something, how to "ancient" and medieval cultures know about the Pleiades?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:51 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:30 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:08 pm [
Caral site in Peru
Winterbourne stoke barrow in England
Nuragic structures on the island of Sardinia
Chaco Canyon in New Mexico
The seven pyramids of Tikal
The pyramids of Abusir in Egypt
Tomb complex of the Hongwu emperor, the founder of the Ming Dynasty

Even if these diverse cultures really modelled their buildings on a constellation, so what?
The main three pyramids are arguably modelled on Orion's belt.
This means nothing.

It may be meaningless to you... but then, you've probably inhaled too much clay dust and it has hardened into a chunk in your brain.

Pure projection.
Your theory is illogical and incoherent.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:59 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:34 pm It's not even convincing to say that all these are modelled on the Pleiades.
None of these cultures think we came from the Pleiades.
the idea that these may or may not be modelled on the Pleidaes does not give any indication that we came from the stars.
None.

Why don't you go sculpt something and allow other people to discuss ideas of interest to them? I don't think anybody here is claiming anything for certain, so you can calm down and get your cranky-ass off your high-horse.

Why don't you bugger off the a Fortean/UFO site where you will find diphsits like yourself that think your ideas make sense?

Of you could try to use what little brain you think you have and address the objections.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:38 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:37 am
This one

Is the only one, and can only be every other one, in fact, this one, is indeed the many of one.

'you' STILL DO NOT GET 'it'. 'one' and 'One' are words that do NOT refer to the EXACT SAME 'thing'.

Also, adding the 'other' word, where you did, ends up CONTRADICTING your whole statement and CLAIM here.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am This One is always and ever this zero distance from itself.

What does this 'One' word here refer to, EXACTLY? And, is 'it' ANY different from the OTHER 'one'?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am '' I am an only child '' < A metaphor for oneness.

REALLY?

The word 'child' implies COMING FROM "another".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:25 am I am a bastard, having no biological father, especially one whom calls itself God.

So, 'your' labeled 'mother' had 'you' with NO interaction, AT ALL, FROM ANY "other" 'thing', right?

As far as I am AWARE being a so-called 'bastard' has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with living with a 'biological father' or not.

Also, OF COURSE, that body, which 'you' ARE IN, HAD A 'biological father', as it does NOT logically follow that 'you' are a bastard BECAUSE of having NO 'biological father'. To ASSUME or CLAIM 'this' is just ABSURDITY in the extreme. Unless, OF COURSE, 'your' OWN definitions of words here ARE ALSO NOT dictionary definitions.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:14 am

'you' STILL DO NOT GET 'it'.

The only thing I do get.. is to know which knowledge to insert my head into.
Which I do get, quite effortlessly actually, as it happens, 'it' gets me.... 'it' faces off with me every second of my life, and is the only way I know how to relate to myself. Disconnection is not in my vocabulary.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:27 am
As I had mentioned, it is possible, so, not impossible.

Actually it is impossible.

The Pleiades is 444 light years away.

I probably need to say not more than that.
But the fact that the assumption is that this seed that was "planted" is supposedly know a long list of cultures and different times in history, but unkown to modern humans is absurd.

There is simply no way to connect an idea that some bug eyed monster from 444 light years away is supposed to have planted all the homonid evolution WITH the idea that some people thousands of years (millions?) later made some building that looked like the configuration of stars.

Just because a Mars bar is so called does not mean that Martians came down and invented it. Or that the governing council of the Milky Way invented the choclate bar of the same name.
But is it not really spooky that there is also a chocolate bar called "Galaxy", surely this cannot be a coincidence? What about Star Bar? OMG

Of course we all know that DNA was discoered because of the Curly Wirly. But that is another story..

Did you know that the Truimph Tiger "Jupiter" was named to honour the LordHigh Emperor "Tiger" of the SOuthern realm of Jupiter.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:40 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:14 am

'you' STILL DO NOT GET 'it'.

The only thing I do get.. is to know which knowledge to insert my head into.

Ah. SO, 'you' WILL ONLY EVER 'entertain' 'that knowledge' that 'you' ALREADY AGREE and ACCEPT IS true and right, and thus will NOT so-called 'insert your head' INTO ANY 'knowledge' THAT DIFFERS.

So, what we have here is ANOTHER PRIME example of 'confirmation bias' AT 'its' BEST.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:40 am Which I do get, quite effortlessly actually, as it happens, 'it' gets me.... 'it' faces off with me every second of my life, and is the only way I know how to relate to myself. Disconnection is not in my vocabulary.

BUT 'my-self' IS A DISCONNECTION, itself, as 'it' IS a COMPLETE and UTTER CONTRADICTION OF TERMS.

'my' AND 'self' MEANS that THERE IS A DISCONNECTION here.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:27 am
As I had mentioned, it is possible, so, not impossible.

Actually it is impossible.

The Pleiades is 444 light years away.

I probably need to say not more than that.
But the fact that the assumption is that this seed that was "planted" is supposedly know a long list of cultures and different times in history, but unkown to modern humans is absurd.

There is simply no way to connect an idea that some bug eyed monster from 444 light years away is supposed to have planted all the homonid evolution WITH the idea that some people thousands of years (millions?) later made some building that looked like the configuration of stars.

Just because a Mars bar is so called does not mean that Martians came down and invented it. Or that the governing council of the Milky Way invented the choclate bar of the same name.
But is it not really spooky that there is also a chocolate bar called "Galaxy", surely this cannot be a coincidence? What about Star Bar? OMG

Of course we all know that DNA was discoered because of the Curly Wirly. But that is another story..

Did you know that the Truimph Tiger "Jupiter" was named to honour the LordHigh Emperor "Tiger" of the SOuthern realm of Jupiter.

So, "veritas aequitas" now BELIEVES and CLAIMS that A God could have CREATED 'us'.

Which, OBVIOUSLY, ABSOLUTELY CONTRADICTS 'its' OTHER BELIEF and CLAIM here.

Now, the reason WHY "veritas aequitas" IS WAY TOO BLIND and STUPID to SEE and NOTICE the BLATANT CONTRADICTION here IS VERY EASY and SIMPLE TO EXPLAIN and SHOW through ANY so-called 'scientific fsk'.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:09 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:48 am Don't things grow after you plant them? Don't we manipulate things all the time to change what they turn into? Why couldn't more advanced extraterrestrials do that to human beings?

And when do you think they were planted?
Evolution can bt traced back billions of years.
If an alien "planted" something, how to "ancient" and medieval cultures know about the Pleiades?

It's challenging to communicate with you when your brain is moving at such a slow speed.

Various beings could have been planted at various times, or in waves, on Earth. How would YOU plant a garden?

More advanced beings could have been teaching human beings all throughout Earth's history... including now... which would explain how humans have known things and done things that were otherwise 'beyond their means' or the awareness of the time.

Does it really seem to you that humans could have advanced from stone tools to computers without any influential intervention? Is it so far-fetched to imagine that we are 'downloading' or channeling information from greater sources all the time? Some may imagine it as messages from a god... but it could simply be a larger network that we're part of, and which we're largely unaware of from the limits of our human 'framework' and 'reality'.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:10 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:51 am It may be meaningless to you... but then, you've probably inhaled too much clay dust and it has hardened into a chunk in your brain.

Pure projection.
Your theory is illogical and incoherent.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:09 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:48 am Don't things grow after you plant them? Don't we manipulate things all the time to change what they turn into? Why couldn't more advanced extraterrestrials do that to human beings?

And when do you think they were planted?
Evolution can bt traced back billions of years.
If an alien "planted" something, how to "ancient" and medieval cultures know about the Pleiades?

It's challenging to communicate with you when your brain is moving at such a slow speed.

Various beings could have been planted at various times, or in waves, on Earth. How would YOU plant a garden?

Nope. Not without evidence.
have you got a single unequivocal example? Have you got a reason this might have happened?
No. You got nothing?

More advanced beings could have been teaching human beings all throughout Earth's history... including now... which would explain how humans have known things and done things that were otherwise 'beyond their means' or the awareness of the time.

Coulda woulda shoulda.
It's was not aliens it was fairies -OVIOUSLY.
DUH

Does it really seem to you that humans could have advanced from stone tools to computers without any influential intervention? Is it so far-fetched to imagine that we are 'downloading' or channeling information from greater sources all the time. Some have imagined it as messages from a god... but it could simply be a larger network that we're part of, and which we're largely unaware of from the limits of our human 'framework' and 'reality'.

So who was visited by aliens, specifically. Newton? Galileo? Einstein?
Maybe it was Elon musk?
Do tell!
And BTW - what has this got to do with the Pleiades?