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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 amHe was kind of asking for it when he posted a link to a site like Breitbart. What next? Stormfront? Or doesn't that exist any more?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:45 amIs there a special "question" of this tribe you fear? Perhaps Kanye would know?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:42 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:22 amIt's clearly a product of the very well known human instinct for tribalism, forming groups of them and us, gifted to us by evolution. The good news, though, is that while we can't change human nature, and nor would we want to, we can change, by a process of natural development, the definition of what constitutes one's tribe. In the earliest days of hunter gatherers it was the family unit. Later, with more settled, agricultural populations, came larger units, the actual tribe. Later still, with the rise of civilisation and better methods of communication, it was the nation. We are still in that phase, I think, though very gradually moving to the next logical phase, which is to encompass the whole human race within one's tribe. Maybe we'll do it in stages before reaching that end.

That's a gross simplification, of course. The same instinct, for example, has also led to stratification within societies, forming a class structure, and all the other divisions we experience.

History also tells us that an external threat does wonders to speed things up.

I think the problem is that some tribes want to shame others for being 'Racist', while they practice it with impunity, a clear double-standard.

Which tribes are you not allowed to criticize publicly?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:42 am Which tribes are you not allowed to criticize publicly?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:47 am I'm a Philosopher. I can criticize every tribe on this planet with impunity.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:49 amI don't think any group has escaped public criticism in one place or another.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:49 amQuestion asked and aswered then.
Well done mister philosopher, you have proven your own problem doesn't exist.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:51 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:49 amI don't think any group has escaped public criticism in one place or another.

That's not what I asked.

Which tribes are most protected compared to all others?

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:54 amThose groups that have been historically persecuted or exploited tend now to have legal sanctions against such criticism or discrimination.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:46 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 amHe was kind of asking for it when he posted a link to a site like Breitbart. What next? Stormfront? Or doesn't that exist any more?

So Racism is a problem only if CNN, BBC, MSNBC says so? That doesn't make any sense.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:01 amThat's not what I said. Breitbart isn't a reputable or reliable source of information by ANY standard. It's full of bullshit.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:00 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:54 amThose groups that have been historically persecuted or exploited tend now to have legal sanctions against such criticism or discrimination.

Yes, "those groups", have special protections...

...like them being allowed "to be racist", but not have racism directed toward them.

Hence the replies in this very thread.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:05 amI think that's wrong, in that case, to the extent that it occurs.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:09 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:05 amI think that's wrong, in that case, to the extent that it occurs.

I agree that double-standards are wrong. But them being wrong, isn't going to stop them anytime soon.

Because it's based on political-power, and cultural-dominance.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:11 amIt's one thing to point it out, but another to come up with a workable solution.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:23 am

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:11 amIt's one thing to point it out, but another to come up with a workable solution.

I don't think it's that easy.

Politically powerful groups do not cease their immorality and double-standards upon request. The tend to only revise their behaviors when forcefully rebuked. It's very limited what Reason can do against opposition.