Philosophy Now Forum

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:08 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:51 am Nothing makes sense.

The person who accepts the absurdity of life surrenders to reality and can find lasting peace. They face the harsh truth upfront freeing themselves of the anxiety of searching for meaning.

The absurdist is fully lucid and may move freely through their inner world. No illusions need be sustained. Their mind is free.

Do your posts make sense? Do any of our posts make sense? Are we suppose to find meaning in your posts? If the answer is "no", then what is the point of typing non-sensical scribbles on the screen expecting others to read them and make sense of them? If the answer is "yes", well then you've just defeated your argument.

This is no different than saying, "We can't know anything.", yet the one making the statement seems to know that we can't know anyything. Statements like these defeat themselves. They are a philosopher's language games - sometimes referred to as "deepities". They aren't trying to say anything important or profound, they are merely playing games with words.

The world does make sense, just not the sense that many would like to be the case. Words do make sense when used correctly. Just because we can organize a string of scribbles that follows the rules of some language does not mean that we've actually said anything. The rule that is often forgotten, or abandoned, in philosophical discussions is that the scribbles need to refer to some real state-of-affairs in the world for them to truly make sense and be meaningful. Where the world does not make sense does not give you free reign to just make stuff up and I'm not willing to fill gaps in knowledge with delusions. It's okay to say that I just don't know the answer right now, but I eventually will, and that makes sense of how we are born mostly ignorant yet we can learn with the powers of observation and logic.

You are entitled to your opinions, and so good for you..but I think I’ll stick to my own world, the one that I perceive, a world in which I was born to be an existentialist, a pessimist, and an absurdist all rolled into one. I prefer realism.

In my humble opinion, not everyone is born to make sense out of nothing. And I love that I’m free to feel and think this way.

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:08 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:20 pm
Do your posts make sense? Do any of our posts make sense? Are we suppose to find meaning in your posts? If the answer is "no", then what is the point of typing non-sensical scribbles on the screen expecting others to read them and make sense of them? If the answer is "yes", well then you've just defeated your argument.

This is no different than saying, "We can't know anything.", yet the one making the statement seems to know that we can't know anyything. Statements like these defeat themselves. They are a philosopher's language games - sometimes referred to as "deepities". They aren't trying to say anything important or profound, they are merely playing games with words.

The world does make sense, just not the sense that many would like to be the case. Words do make sense when used correctly. Just because we can organize a string of scribbles that follows the rules of some language does not mean that we've actually said anything. The rule that is often forgotten, or abandoned, in philosophical discussions is that the scribbles need to refer to some real state-of-affairs in the world for them to truly make sense and be meaningful. Where the world does not make sense does not give you free reign to just make stuff up and I'm not willing to fill gaps in knowledge with delusions. It's okay to say that I just don't know the answer right now, but I eventually will, and that makes sense of how we are born mostly ignorant yet we can learn with the powers of observation and logic.

You are entitled to your opinions, and so good for you..but I think I’ll stick to my own world, the one that I perceive, a world in which I was born to be an existentialist, a pessimist, and an absurdist all rolled into one. I prefer realism.

In my humble opinion, not everyone is born to make sense out of nothing. And I love that I’m free to feel and think this way.

"Make sense out of nothing"? What does that mean? Can you give a real-world example being that you're a realist?

What does "stick to your own world" mean? Don't we all live in the same world - one world? Are you confusing the map (mind) with the territory (world)? - but then you talk about a world you perceive and were born into specifically to hold certain ideas? That is why you were born? Odd. This doesn't sound like anything a realist would say. I would know. I'm a realist - but an indirect one, not a naïve one.

These are not rhetorical questions. I'm genuinely trying to understand what you are saying.

We all live in the same world. There is no "my" world. It is our world. Understanding that is what helps to understand that what we do can impact others. We all start with the same facts - that we are born into this world and will eventually die. What we do in-between should be up to each individual - as long as it doesn't involve infringing on the rights of others to do the same.

I believe that everything has the potential to make sense given enough time an effort to figure it out and having the right tools to test our theories. We have come so far as a species, but still have a long way to go (hopefully).

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:08 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:20 pm
Do your posts make sense? Do any of our posts make sense? Are we suppose to find meaning in your posts? If the answer is "no", then what is the point of typing non-sensical scribbles on the screen expecting others to read them and make sense of them? If the answer is "yes", well then you've just defeated your argument.

This is no different than saying, "We can't know anything.", yet the one making the statement seems to know that we can't know anyything. Statements like these defeat themselves. They are a philosopher's language games - sometimes referred to as "deepities". They aren't trying to say anything important or profound, they are merely playing games with words.

The world does make sense, just not the sense that many would like to be the case. Words do make sense when used correctly. Just because we can organize a string of scribbles that follows the rules of some language does not mean that we've actually said anything. The rule that is often forgotten, or abandoned, in philosophical discussions is that the scribbles need to refer to some real state-of-affairs in the world for them to truly make sense and be meaningful. Where the world does not make sense does not give you free reign to just make stuff up and I'm not willing to fill gaps in knowledge with delusions. It's okay to say that I just don't know the answer right now, but I eventually will, and that makes sense of how we are born mostly ignorant yet we can learn with the powers of observation and logic.

You are entitled to your opinions, and so good for you..but I think I’ll stick to my own world, the one that I perceive, a world in which I was born to be an existentialist, a pessimist, and an absurdist all rolled into one. I prefer realism.

In my humble opinion, not everyone is born to make sense out of nothing. And I love that I’m free to feel and think this way.

"Make sense out of nothing"? What does that mean? Can you give a real-world example being that you're a realist?

What does "stick to your own world" mean? Don't we all live in the same world - one world? Are you confusing the map (mind) with the territory (world)? - but then you talk about a world you perceive and were born into specifically to hold certain ideas? That is why you were born? Odd. This doesn't sound like anything a realist would say. I would know. I'm a realist - but an indirect one, not a naïve one.

If you were to stick to your world, then why are you posting about your world to others? Are you open-minded in that you are willing to open up "your" world to criticism? Does "your" world evolve with new experiences with others and their ideas? If so, then doesn't it make more sense to say that you might be confusing the word, "world" with "beliefs" and that we all live in the same world - one world - and share our beliefs and evolve in our beliefs by interacting with the world which includes other people and their beliefs?

These are not rhetorical questions. I'm genuinely trying to understand what you are saying.

We all live in the same world. There is no "my" world. It is our world. Understanding that is what helps to understand that what we do can impact others. We all start with the same facts - that we are born into this world and will eventually die. What we do in-between should be up to each individual - as long as it doesn't involve infringing on the rights of others to do the same.

I believe that everything has the potential to make sense given enough time an effort to figure it out and having the right tools to test our theories. We have come so far as a species, but still have a long way to go (hopefully).

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:03 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:08 pm
You are entitled to your opinions, and so good for you..but I think I’ll stick to my own world, the one that I perceive, a world in which I was born to be an existentialist, a pessimist, and an absurdist all rolled into one. I prefer realism.

In my humble opinion, not everyone is born to make sense out of nothing. And I love that I’m free to feel and think this way.

"Make sense out of nothing"? What does that mean? Can you give a real-world example being that you're a realist?

What does "stick to your own world" mean? Don't we all live in the same world - one world? Are you confusing the map (mind) with the territory (world)? - but then you talk about a world you perceive and were born into specifically to hold certain ideas? That is why you were born? Odd. This doesn't sound like anything a realist would say. I would know. I'm a realist - but an indirect one, not a naïve one.

If you were to stick to your world, then why are you posting about your world to others? Are you open-minded in that you are willing to open up "your" world to criticism? Does "your" world evolve with new experiences with others and their ideas? If so, then doesn't it make more sense to say that you might be confusing the word, "world" with "beliefs" and that we all live in the same world - one world - and share our beliefs and evolve in our beliefs by interacting with the world which includes other people and their beliefs?

These are not rhetorical questions. I'm genuinely trying to understand what you are saying.

We all live in the same world. There is no "my" world. It is our world. Understanding that is what helps to understand that what we do can impact others. We all start with the same facts - that we are born into this world and will eventually die. What we do in-between should be up to each individual - as long as it doesn't involve infringing on the rights of others to do the same.

I believe that everything has the potential to make sense given enough time an effort to figure it out and having the right tools to test our theories. We have come so far as a species, but still have a long way to go (hopefully).

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm I'm genuinely trying to understand what you are saying.

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm What does "stick to your own world" mean?

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:45 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:38 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:20 pm
Do your posts make sense? Do any of our posts make sense? Are we suppose to find meaning in your posts? If the answer is "no", then what is the point of typing non-sensical scribbles on the screen expecting others to read them and make sense of them? If the answer is "yes", well then you've just defeated your argument.

This is no different than saying, "We can't know anything.", yet the one making the statement seems to know that we can't know anyything. Statements like these defeat themselves. They are a philosopher's language games - sometimes referred to as "deepities". They aren't trying to say anything important or profound, they are merely playing games with words.

The world does make sense, just not the sense that many would like to be the case. Words do make sense when used correctly. Just because we can organize a string of scribbles that follows the rules of some language does not mean that we've actually said anything. The rule that is often forgotten, or abandoned, in philosophical discussions is that the scribbles need to refer to some real state-of-affairs in the world for them to truly make sense and be meaningful. Where the world does not make sense does not give you free reign to just make stuff up and I'm not willing to fill gaps in knowledge with delusions. It's okay to say that I just don't know the answer right now, but I eventually will, and that makes sense of how we are born mostly ignorant yet we can learn with the powers of observation and logic.

She's not the one you want. I am. I'm the truly insane one because I'm not a nationalist nor a regionalist. I'm a humanist.

I'm not wanting anyone. All I wanted was to make a point. I don't see how not being a nationalist or a regionalist and being a humanist makes one insane. I'm a-political and a-religion - essentially anti-group think. I do not think humanity is all it's cracked up to be. We could end up destroying ourselves because of a lack of foresight. The insane ones are the ones that can't see past their wealth, power or social media "likes" and choose participate in cultural mass delusions that ignore basic science and reason.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:33 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm I'm genuinely trying to understand what you are saying.

Listen, I'm just babbling, the words are just spontaneously flowing from my lips. I listen to myself and pretend I know what I am saying, I babble and babble until I THINK I've understood. In reality nothing makes sense to me personally.

I cannot make you understand what doesn't make sense to me, no more than I can make myself understand what makes me think I've understood what it is I THINK I've understood.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:33 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:57 pm What does "stick to your own world" mean?

World view.

Views are many, the empty space in which they appear is the same.

Many views, but only one looker in which they all appear as they are immediately being viewed according to the viewfinders perspective, as and through each unique lens of perception.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:14 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:45 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:38 pm

She's not the one you want. I am. I'm the truly insane one because I'm not a nationalist nor a regionalist. I'm a humanist.

I'm not wanting anyone. All I wanted was to make a point. I don't see how not being a nationalist or a regionalist and being a humanist makes one insane. I'm a-political and a-religion - essentially anti-group think. I do not think humanity is all it's cracked up to be. We could end up destroying ourselves because of a lack of foresight. The insane ones are the ones that can't see past their wealth, power or social media "likes" and choose participate in cultural mass delusions that ignore basic science and reason.

It is not necessarily "insane" to "ignore basic science and reason." It is not insane alone to ignore those two things. There are other things that are "insane". REMEMBER what science is. Science is a tool to guide us on how the physical world (that which we can perceive with our senses) works and can be used to do what we want to use that knowledge for. "INSANITY" is the desire to use that knowledge and ability for "INSANE" reasons. It is up to EACH and EVERY one of US to determine for ourselves what are "insane" reasons to do something. I am an agnostic with respect to religion. Religion can tell us who we are and what our ultimate fate(s) will be. I suspect science will never be able to answer those two questions (who we are and what our ultimate fates will be), However, it is OK, indeed it is noble for science to seek ways to preserve life on Earth. If science is NOT doing that, then that is not OK what science is doing.

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:14 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:45 pm
I'm not wanting anyone. All I wanted was to make a point. I don't see how not being a nationalist or a regionalist and being a humanist makes one insane. I'm a-political and a-religion - essentially anti-group think. I do not think humanity is all it's cracked up to be. We could end up destroying ourselves because of a lack of foresight. The insane ones are the ones that can't see past their wealth, power or social media "likes" and choose participate in cultural mass delusions that ignore basic science and reason.

It is not necessarily "insane" to "ignore basic science and reason." It is not insane alone to ignore those two things. There are other things that are "insane". REMEMBER what science is. Science is a tool to guide us on how the physical world (that which we can perceive with our senses) works and can be used to do what we want to use that knowledge for. "INSANITY" is the desire to use that knowledge and ability for "INSANE" reasons. It is up to EACH and EVERY one of US to determine for ourselves what are "insane" reasons to do something. I am an agnostic with respect to religion. Religion can tell us who we are and what our ultimate fate(s) will be. I suspect science will never be able to answer those two questions (who we are and what our ultimate fates will be), However, it is OK, indeed it is noble for science to seek ways to preserve life on Earth. If science is NOT doing that, then that is not OK what science is doing.

Insanity IS the abandoning of reason and science is an endeavor in reason. If it were up to each of us to determine what is insane, then the word, "insane" becomes useless because we'd all be talking past each other when using the word.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:31 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:14 pm

It is not necessarily "insane" to "ignore basic science and reason." It is not insane alone to ignore those two things. There are other things that are "insane". REMEMBER what science is. Science is a tool to guide us on how the physical world (that which we can perceive with our senses) works and can be used to do what we want to use that knowledge for. "INSANITY" is the desire to use that knowledge and ability for "INSANE" reasons. It is up to EACH and EVERY one of US to determine for ourselves what are "insane" reasons to do something. I am an agnostic with respect to religion. Religion can tell us who we are and what our ultimate fate(s) will be. I suspect science will never be able to answer those two questions (who we are and what our ultimate fates will be), However, it is OK, indeed it is noble for science to seek ways to preserve life on Earth. If science is NOT doing that, then that is not OK what science is doing.

Insanity IS the abandoning of reason and science is an endeavor in reason. If it were up to each of us to determine what is insane, then the word, "insane" becomes useless because we'd all be talking past each other when using the word.

No. You are wrong. You do not know what insanity is. But you are entitled to be wrong. It's OK. But more must be abandoned than reason and science in order to be "insane". One must also have evil in them in order to be insane.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:29 am

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:56 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:31 pm

Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:28 pm
Insanity IS the abandoning of reason and science is an endeavor in reason. If it were up to each of us to determine what is insane, then the word, "insane" becomes useless because we'd all be talking past each other when using the word.

No. You are wrong. You do not know what insanity is. But you are entitled to be wrong. It's OK. But more must be abandoned than reason and science in order to be "insane". One must also have evil in them in order to be insane.

How can someone be wrong in their understanding of insanity if you said that it is up to each and every one of us to determine for ourselves what is insane? You're contradicting yourself - trying to have your cake and eat it too. Intellectually dishonest.

Evil and insanity are distinct. One can be insane and not evil and vice versa. Morality only comes into play when one tries to infringe on the rights of another. A person can cut off their arm because they believe it to be an alien arm. That is not evil. That is just insane. What would be evil is when they try to cut off YOUR arms.