Is it sin for a rape victim to abort the fetus?

[henry quirk]

Abortion is completely Political, Einstein.

Seems to me: first and foremost it's a moral issue.

First and foremost, it's a question of Life or Death, and that's objective ... not seems to me.

Life ... Or ... Death.

Yeah, a moral issue.

Does what a woman carries a person or just meat?
he or she is a person

Is abortion murder or just removing a mass?
it's murder

How is abortion not a moral issue?

[Lacewing]

- When Trump was president, the definitive prosperity numbers were climbing. They were upticking. For this, Trump was relentlessly attacked and undermined on a daily basis. Worse, the public was relentlessly told that anything associated with Trump was Bad, including governance. Worse, the herd swallowed it.

You ARE part of a herd who feeds ravenously on skewed information and spews it out every chance you get. Try living in the present moment and stop being a bitter old man. Ask your guru how important all of this is. Trump is dragging you down. Politics are full of insanity and poison. Be smart enough not to buy into any of it to the extent that you do.

[Walker]

How is abortion not a moral issue?

Never said that.
Are you trying to be a weasel, Henry?
It does not suit you.

Shoplifting bubblegum is also a "moral" issue.

You said that abortion is "foremost" a moral issue.

Shoplifting bubblegum is "foremost" a moral issue.

Abortion is "foremost", Life or Death.

[Lacewing]

Women have been having abortions for as long as they've been capable of getting pregnant.

I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.

[henry quirk]

Never said that.

Never said what?

Honestly, I got no clue where you stand.

Are you trying to be a weasel, Henry?

Don't do that, guy.

[henry quirk]

I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.

You mean to say that before man stuck his nose in, women were morally incompetent or incapable? You mean to say women, before man's intrusion, has no sense that what they carried might in fact be a person? Only when man butted in did women value the life in the womb?

If so: then women aren't worth a good goddamn.

[Harbal]

Women have been having abortions for as long as they've been capable of getting pregnant.

I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.

No one can help having an opinion, and I do have an opinion about abortion, which just happens to be totally at odds with Walker's opinion. I think we are both entitled to have opinions about abortion, but I also think that, as men, we do not have the right to be involved in the decision making process regarding abortion. It is a matter for women.

[Lacewing]

I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.

You mean to say that before man stuck his nose in, women were morally incompetent or incapable?

So... a person is only 'moral' if they think like you do?

[Harbal]

You mean to say women, before man's intrusion, has no sense that what they carried might in fact be a person?

It's quite possible to be a man without thinking of a foetus as being a person. I am, in fact, such a man. I wouldn't argue with someone who insisted on calling a fully formed baby a person, however.

[henry quirk]

You said...

I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.

Do you mean to say that women had no sense of morality (any morality) till men forced it on them?

Murder is an unjust killing. You mean to say women had no sense that aborting might be murder till man stepped in?

[henry quirk]

I wouldn't argue with someone who insisted on calling a fully formed baby a person, however.

No offense, H, but do you take a stand on anything?

[Harbal]

No offense, H, but do you take a stand on anything?

What is it that you think I'm failing to take a stand on, henry.

I took no offence, btw.

[Walker]

Never said that.

Never said what?

Honestly, I got no clue where you stand.

Are you trying to be a weasel, Henry?

Don't do that, guy.

You asked why is abortion not a moral issue.
I answered that I never said it was not a moral issue.

However:

- In the reasoning that overturned Roe v Wade, abortion is identified as apart from other civil rights issues. This is in the reasoning of the majority opinion, which says decisions concerning abortion do not affect other civil rights.

- Just as abortion-issue is "first and foremost" apart from other civil rights, abortion is apart from other forms of morality.
- This is because "first and foremost, abortion is an issue of Life or Death.

- This is why folks say abortion is just a medical procedure.
- This is why folks say, abortion is first and foremost a matter of morality, of civil rights.
- Calling Death these things softens Death, for the delicate.

- Next step, ban the word death. The word makes folks uncomfortable, and weasels say that the word doesn't even apply to abortion.

Don't do that, guy.

You're right. Not with you, because you're not a weasel.

[Lacewing]

You said...

I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.

Do you mean to say that women had no sense of morality (any morality) till men forced it on them?

Of course not. Women don't need men telling them anything. That's probably what troubles you about them.

Considering there are many ways to view life and nature, do you think that a person is only moral if they think as you do?

[Walker]

... telling them anything.

Even Bond listened to M, and 007 also gave him a license to kill.

Folks who do not promote wholesale slaughter of the next generation are morally ethical.

(And then, folks promoting unrestricted open borders for unskilled labour, and abortion, are morally bankrupt, as does Senator Schumer.)

These folks pouring over the border become enslaved by subhuman wages, and abuse.

It's a humanitarian crisis caused by the current governance. It goes unreported by most of the media. It's because of politics. If We The People tried to discuss it on social media, it was censored by government directly, and also by the ethics of the little drones doing the dirty work.

These aren't opinions. This is what's happening now. It's not true just because someone says it's true.