Representing oneself through someone else

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Lacewing
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Re: Representing oneself through someone else

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Walker wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:51 am Gossip is to talk about people.
It is interesting to notice and challenge what people say and do. Maybe if you noticed more about what people are 'about', you wouldn't be so inclined to believe and repeat so much nonsense.

When your insane spewing routine is called out, then you change channels and act like you're a 'teacher'. I (like many others) have pointed this out to you. It's strange and inconsistent. Why not ask why? Dattaswami is mostly typing in material he didn't write. Age is intent on telling everyone how wrong they are. Immanuel Can distorts and redirects. Many other posters notice these things and comment on them. It's not gossip.
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Re: Representing oneself through someone else

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Lacewing wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:50 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:51 am Gossip is to talk about people.
It is interesting to notice and challenge what people say and do. Maybe if you noticed more about what people are 'about', you wouldn't be so inclined to believe and repeat so much nonsense.

When your insane spewing routine is called out, then you change channels and act like you're a 'teacher'. I (like many others) have pointed this out to you. It's strange and inconsistent. Why not ask why? Dattaswami is mostly typing in material he didn't write. Age is intent on telling everyone how wrong they are. Immanuel Can distorts and redirects. Many other posters notice these things and comment on them. It's not gossip.
And depending on how it is done, I think it's a valid reason to participate. Here we find a microcosm of what's out there. Voices and memes and characters trying to spread. The spectrum of ridiculous to ok arguments. Here, in slow motion, we can interact with the types of personalities and weak arguments that run things or aid those running things out there.

And then also the types of blunders and thugs one runs into on the road, at work, at various bureaucracies, on talk shows, at gatherings....

So, what 'out there' is an often rapid pummeling, here is words on a screen and can be taken apart.

It can be wonderful work.
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Re: Representing oneself through someone else

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Walker wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:22 pm
Age wrote: ...
That's right, Age.

As a principle, Gossip distracts from philosophisizing, and small-talk witticisims are good for a chuckle.
To 'me', the word 'philosophy', literally just means the 'love-of-learning' or just having the love of 'becoming-wiser', which can and does REMAIN, in some, even when "others" ARE so-called 'gossiping'. To 'me', 'one' can KEEP LEARNING in absolutely ANY situation, just as long as that 'one' IS and REMAINS COMPLETELY OPEN, ALWAYS.

See, to 'me', while 'one' is FULLY OPEN then they cannot NOT LEARN, and thus also cannot NOT BECOME-WISER.

In fact, while 'one' is Truly OPEN then they ARE at their WISEST. In that state 'they' are Truly WISE, as 'they' are BEING WISE, in that 'they' are in a state of ALWAYS BE-COMING-WISER.

Which, by the way, is the state that EVERY one of 'you', human BEINGS, were IN when 'you' were BORN. Thus, thee ONLY REAL True 'philosopher' is a new born baby, and 'younger human being, as they are in thee Truly OPEN STATE, and thus having the absolute ABILITY to LEARN absolutely ANY 'thing'.

It is 'them', the 'young' who are Truly 'philosophizing', to 'me', and NOT the 'older ones' who call/label "themselves" as "philosophers" or who 'try to' speak as though they are some sort of "philosopher".

A 'philosophy forum', however, to 'me', is just a place to come to LEARN off of, and from, "each other", which, AGAIN, can only REALLY take place when 'one' is Truly OPEN, and LISTENING TO and HEARING what each "other one" is SAYING, and REALLY MEANING.
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Re: Representing oneself through someone else

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Lacewing wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:50 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:51 am Gossip is to talk about people.
It is interesting to notice and challenge what people say and do. Maybe if you noticed more about what people are 'about', you wouldn't be so inclined to believe and repeat so much nonsense.

When your insane spewing routine is called out, then you change channels and act like you're a 'teacher'. I (like many others) have pointed this out to you. It's strange and inconsistent. Why not ask why? Dattaswami is mostly typing in material he didn't write. Age is intent on telling everyone how wrong they are.
What is the REAL DIFFERENCE between 'me' SAYING, 'how you are wrong', when 'you' ARE, and 'you', "lacewing", supposedly 'challenging" "others"?

If I am SAYING, and EXPLAINING, EXACTLY HOW 'you' are wrong, then what is WRONG with this? Are 'you', "lacewing", here TELLING 'us' that 'we' ARE WRONG?
Lacewing wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:50 pm Immanuel Can distorts and redirects. Many other posters notice these things and comment on them. It's not gossip.
Noticing and commenting on 'things' is NOT necessarily 'gossiping', but that was NOT what "walker" has been NOTICING, COMMENTING ON, and bringing to 'your' ATTENTION "lacewing".

"walker" has been NOTICING, COMMENTING ON, and CHALLENGING 'you', "lacewing", about the ACTUAL "gossiping" that 'you' and some "others" ACTUAL DO.

As some might say, 'Maybe if 'you' noticed more about what people are talking 'about', then 'you', "lacewing", would NOT be so inclined to keep 'gossiping' and keep BELIEVING and repeating what 'you' BELIEVE.

'you' NOTICE and pick up "others" on what 'you' call 'projecting' but NEVER seem to appear to NOTICE when 'you', "yourself", do this "lacewing".
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Re: Representing oneself through someone else

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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:38 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:50 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:51 am Gossip is to talk about people.
It is interesting to notice and challenge what people say and do. Maybe if you noticed more about what people are 'about', you wouldn't be so inclined to believe and repeat so much nonsense.

When your insane spewing routine is called out, then you change channels and act like you're a 'teacher'. I (like many others) have pointed this out to you. It's strange and inconsistent. Why not ask why? Dattaswami is mostly typing in material he didn't write. Age is intent on telling everyone how wrong they are. Immanuel Can distorts and redirects. Many other posters notice these things and comment on them. It's not gossip.
And depending on how it is done, I think it's a valid reason to participate. Here we find a microcosm of what's out there. Voices and memes and characters trying to spread. The spectrum of ridiculous to ok arguments. Here, in slow motion, we can interact with the types of personalities and weak arguments that run things or aid those running things out there.

And then also the types of blunders and thugs one runs into on the road, at work, at various bureaucracies, on talk shows, at gatherings....

So, what 'out there' is an often rapid pummeling, here is words on a screen and can be taken apart.

It can be wonderful work.
Very well said.

We can 'work through' various toxicities and delusions on this forum in a way that we cannot always do in the world. It can be therapeutic, enlightening, and empowering to clarify our thinking and our responses to the twisted nonsense that infects/affects humankind in many ways.

And it can be a fun process.
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Re: Representing oneself through someone else

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Lacewing wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:20 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:38 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:50 pm
It is interesting to notice and challenge what people say and do. Maybe if you noticed more about what people are 'about', you wouldn't be so inclined to believe and repeat so much nonsense.

When your insane spewing routine is called out, then you change channels and act like you're a 'teacher'. I (like many others) have pointed this out to you. It's strange and inconsistent. Why not ask why? Dattaswami is mostly typing in material he didn't write. Age is intent on telling everyone how wrong they are. Immanuel Can distorts and redirects. Many other posters notice these things and comment on them. It's not gossip.
And depending on how it is done, I think it's a valid reason to participate. Here we find a microcosm of what's out there. Voices and memes and characters trying to spread. The spectrum of ridiculous to ok arguments. Here, in slow motion, we can interact with the types of personalities and weak arguments that run things or aid those running things out there.

And then also the types of blunders and thugs one runs into on the road, at work, at various bureaucracies, on talk shows, at gatherings....

So, what 'out there' is an often rapid pummeling, here is words on a screen and can be taken apart.

It can be wonderful work.
Very well said.

We can 'work through' various toxicities and delusions on this forum in a way that we cannot always do in the world. It can be therapeutic, enlightening, and empowering to clarify our thinking and our responses to the twisted nonsense that infects/affects humankind in many ways.

And it can be a fun process.
Yes all VERY True.

But, unfortunately, what I am about to write 'you' can NOT SEE "lacewing", because of 'your' REFUSAL to LOOK AT what OPPOSES 'your' VERY OWN 'toxicities' and 'delusions'. But, I will write anyway.

Now, if 'you', "lacewing", would like to 'work through' your various 'toxicities and delusions', on this forum, then 'I' am more than willing to 'work with' 'you'.

I KNOW that doing so WILL BE therapeutic, enlightening, and empowering, if not to 'you' but to 'me' and "others", and if while 'working through' 'you' get to clarify 'your' thinking and 'your' responses to 'your' twisted nonsense that is infecting/affecting humankind in many ways, then this WILL BE, literally, even more beneficial to more of 'us' here.

If 'you' ever do decide to OPEN UP, and NOT be SO CLOSED, then I KNOW 'working through' 'toxicities and delusions', WITH 'you', WILL BE VERY FUN.
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