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What is the extraordinary evidence that a creation does not have a creator? Pretty please, pray tell.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:46 pm ''Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence''
After she realized and accepted that she was no longer in Kansas, Dorothy said the very same thing.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:29 am What is that annoying squeaking sound? Someone get some oil on it please.
Yeah it pisses me off too (when God doesn't give a woman legs so she can walk from the bedroom to the kitchen and laundry)vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:29 am What is that annoying squeaking sound? Someone get some oil on it please.
What is the extraordinary evidence that a creation does not have a creator? Pretty please, pray tell.VT wrote:''Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence''
Yes, extraordinary is a very vague word. And 'extraordinary' to whom? And then as Walker is saying here, how do we evaluate degrees of ordinariness around metaphysics?Walker wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:31 pmWhat is the extraordinary evidence that a creation does not have a creator? Pretty please, pray tell.VT wrote:''Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence''
How can we not answer the question? Let us count the ways. So far we have two ways, oil and legs.
So what do you believe regarding God? As far as I am aware you are a theist..so are you drawn to any particular religion?Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:49 amYes, extraordinary is a very vague word. And 'extraordinary' to whom? And then as Walker is saying here, how do we evaluate degrees of ordinariness around metaphysics?Walker wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:31 pmWhat is the extraordinary evidence that a creation does not have a creator? Pretty please, pray tell.VT wrote:''Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence''
How can we not answer the question? Let us count the ways. So far we have two ways, oil and legs.
And then the original, the one that Carl Sagan reworded was
Laplace's principle, which says that “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness”
And there we have strangeness. But strangeness is always in relation to our other beliefs and norms. It's not like mass.
On the other hand
Many religions deserve the sentiment Screw Religion aimed at them.
And they should know why.
Do we know if either claim is really true though? If a different sperm had fertilized the egg I came from, then would I be here or would it be someone else? Obviously, it's a black box problem that is impossible to ever know the conclusive answer to but it's an interesting thought experiment that articulates the paradoxical problems associated with identity (that which suffices to make us who we are as opposed to being someone else in this world).vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:31 amIt's hardly 'amazing'. Actually the 'probability of your personage' was 100 percent.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:26 am What's even more incredible, is that only 1 or 2 of these 200 to 500 million sperms make it to the ( '' I'm alive stage '' )
Which means the rest of the 200 to 500 million sperms that did not make it, are the lucky ones. Amazingly!
That's 200 to 500 million people never got to be alive.
So amazingly, the probability of your 'personage' is more likely to have never happened than it is to have happened. Amazingly!
You wouldn't be here is the short and final answer. If it were a different sperm cell what would have emerged instead of YOU could have been female...in any event, someone else. From what I gather from your posts, you don't feel very lucky having won the sperm marathon.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:56 pmIf a different sperm had fertilized the egg I came from, then would I be here or would it be someone else?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:31 amIt's hardly 'amazing'. Actually the 'probability of your personage' was 100 percent.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:26 am What's even more incredible, is that only 1 or 2 of these 200 to 500 million sperms make it to the ( '' I'm alive stage '' )
Which means the rest of the 200 to 500 million sperms that did not make it, are the lucky ones. Amazingly!
That's 200 to 500 million people never got to be alive.
So amazingly, the probability of your 'personage' is more likely to have never happened than it is to have happened. Amazingly!
Hindsight seems to be 20/20, doesn't it? As a mindless squiggle huffing and puffing toward the finish line I probably had no idea what the end result would be. All that my proto-sentient reflexes knew how to do was beat out a bunch of other squiggles at swimming. Maybe they were even bigger losers than I am. I don't know. My dad gave the best he had to offer. Maybe not good enough for this world, but I love him and mom just the same. They've given me the best life they could. I am thankful for them.Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:20 amYou wouldn't be here is the short and final answer. If it were a different sperm cell what would have emerged instead of YOU could have been female...in any event, someone else. From what I gather from your posts, you don't feel very lucky having won the sperm marathon.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:56 pmIf a different sperm had fertilized the egg I came from, then would I be here or would it be someone else?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:31 am
It's hardly 'amazing'. Actually the 'probability of your personage' was 100 percent.
Personally, among the many millions of squigglies huffing and puffing toward the finish line, I would have preferred being one of the rejects.
In that case you were more fortunate than I was. I never knew my father; he died a few months after I was born. He was 27 years old. Things would have been much different and much better had that not happened.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:00 amHindsight seems to be 20/20, doesn't it? As a mindless squiggle huffing and puffing toward the finish line I probably had no idea what the end result would be. All that my proto-sentient reflexes knew how to do was beat out a bunch of other squiggles at swimming. Maybe they were even bigger losers than I am. I don't know. My dad gave the best he had to offer. Maybe not good enough for this world, but I love him and mom just the same. They've given me the best life they could. I am thankful for them.Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:20 amYou wouldn't be here is the short and final answer. If it were a different sperm cell what would have emerged instead of YOU could have been female...in any event, someone else. From what I gather from your posts, you don't feel very lucky having won the sperm marathon.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:56 pm
If a different sperm had fertilized the egg I came from, then would I be here or would it be someone else?
Personally, among the many millions of squigglies huffing and puffing toward the finish line, I would have preferred being one of the rejects.
I'm sorry to hear of that loss. Also surprised, you seem to have turned out with sharp wits. That's more than can be said of me.Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:23 amIn that case you were more fortunate than I was. I never knew my father; he died a few months after I was born. He was 27 years old. Things would have been much different and much better had that not happened.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:00 amHindsight seems to be 20/20, doesn't it? As a mindless squiggle huffing and puffing toward the finish line I probably had no idea what the end result would be. All that my proto-sentient reflexes knew how to do was beat out a bunch of other squiggles at swimming. Maybe they were even bigger losers than I am. I don't know. My dad gave the best he had to offer. Maybe not good enough for this world, but I love him and mom just the same. They've given me the best life they could. I am thankful for them.Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:20 am
You wouldn't be here is the short and final answer. If it were a different sperm cell what would have emerged instead of YOU could have been female...in any event, someone else. From what I gather from your posts, you don't feel very lucky having won the sperm marathon.
Personally, among the many millions of squigglies huffing and puffing toward the finish line, I would have preferred being one of the rejects.
