Philosophy Now Forum

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:21 am

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:13 pm

What you WROTE is CRYSTAL CLEAR. And, how I REPLIED SHOWS just how STUPID your question REALLY IS.

If you think I have NOT read your question correctly, then SHOW WHY.

Let us SEE, CLEARLY, what you are 'trying to' CLAIM here is true.

Try harder

HERE is MORE and FURTHER ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE PROOF of just how Truly INCAPABLE the adult human being WAS, back in the days when this was being written.

They would make all these ASSERTIONS and CLAIMS, but when 'pushed' for CLARITY, through questioning or challenging, they would on MOST OCCASIONS FAIL, CRUMBLE, and FALL TO PIECES. As, ONCE AGAIN, PROVED True AGAIN HERE.

And, in the case with this one here known as "atla", the HYPOCRISY and CONTRADICTIONS are ONCE AGAIN so BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.

One would WONDER WHY "atla" could NOT even SEE the CONTRADICTION BEFORE 'it' was EXPRESSED, let alone STILL NOT being ABLE to SEE 'this' AFTER the Fact has been CLEARLY POINTED OUT and SHOWN?

Or, are the words "try harder" just ANOTHER ATTEMPT at DIVERSION and DECEIT?

Try even harder. You know, reading back.

Veganman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:56 am I think the "place" is when something needs to be questioned or studied philosophically in order to determine some form of truth. Philosophy to me is probably also best defined in this way. However, many things can be self evident truths without having to apply a philosophical frame of mind. I recall a professor of philosophy who mainly lectured on ethics. His idea of lecturing was to punctuate with little anecdotes, like how he was looking forward to getting home and having a nice steak for his dinner. Professor of philosophy he may well have been, but his idea of ethics was a little confused. Personally, I'd rather take my ethical philosophy lessons from a relatively uneducated but kind, compassionate vegan, than a hypocritical professor of philosophy.

Intellectualism creates agendas. Yours appears to be veganism. Good for you. But just the same, you see the world through vegetable-colored glasses, so to speak. This is a universal human affliction, that is, our intellects creating a personal narrative that explains the world to each of us. Part of the narrative is the solution to whatever is determined to be the cause of suffering. Whereas eating a vegan diet might be a wonderful thing, it is just a very small part of the puzzle, one that has an infinite number of pieces that are constantly changing their shapes.

If you would broaden your perspective somewhat, you might see that whatever diet we may consume doesn't have a great deal of significance on the whole. The truth of the matter is that we can only experience life, not understand it. Our intellectual capacity simply cannot access Reality on any level. So just accept things the way they are and react according. No need to try to improve on what the Universe has graciously put at our disposal. I

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:16 pm When people abandon reason, and depend on the irrational feelings and emotions to make their decisions it is a disaster for both those individuals and whatever society they are part of. There is no more deceptive forms of sentimentality than those that go by names, empathy, sympathy, and compassion, and there is no limit to the amount of human depravity and oppression that those lies have been used to justify. Just any evil can be put over so long as one has the, "right feelings."

When it comes to reasoning, you must take the bad with the good. There are an unlimited amount of examples of how reasoning is contaminated by all kinds of feelings. It is the human condition.

You might wish to consider the notion that you need very little reasoning. And as a matter of pure speculation, I would suggest [as have many others throughout history] that 99.9% of all you need "to know" takes place before your reasoning kicks-in. For example...

...let's say you are tooling down the sidewalk and all of a sudden a toddler shoots by in chase of his ball. In just a moment the little guy will meet a speeding car approaching in the opposite direction. Fortunately, you happen to be alert and grab the boys arm saving him from an unenviable ending.

The mind is incredible fast [if we would just allow it to work]. Another example...

I live in the LA area certainly known for our crowded freeways. You ever wonder how it is possible that thousands of people can be driving at very high rates of speed constantly making micro-corrections to their vehicle's position and velocity without killing themselves [and those around them]? How can this complex processing take place? Rarely through reasoning. Never [successfully] through feelings. Over-thinking it with this task is deadly [as it is in every other case, the difference being that the later results in a much slower death].

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:37 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:21 am

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm
Try harder

HERE is MORE and FURTHER ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE PROOF of just how Truly INCAPABLE the adult human being WAS, back in the days when this was being written.

They would make all these ASSERTIONS and CLAIMS, but when 'pushed' for CLARITY, through questioning or challenging, they would on MOST OCCASIONS FAIL, CRUMBLE, and FALL TO PIECES. As, ONCE AGAIN, PROVED True AGAIN HERE.

And, in the case with this one here known as "atla", the HYPOCRISY and CONTRADICTIONS are ONCE AGAIN so BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.

One would WONDER WHY "atla" could NOT even SEE the CONTRADICTION BEFORE 'it' was EXPRESSED, let alone STILL NOT being ABLE to SEE 'this' AFTER the Fact has been CLEARLY POINTED OUT and SHOWN?

Or, are the words "try harder" just ANOTHER ATTEMPT at DIVERSION and DECEIT?

Try even harder. You know, reading back.

You are SUCH a WEAK and INCAPABLE human being you can NOT even EXPLAIN what you TALK ABOUT and REFER to, EXACTLY.

And, you REALLY are SO SCARED and AFRAID you WILL continue on with YOUR DIVERSIONARY and DECEPTIVE TACTICS. As you WILL PROVE me True ONCE AGAIN.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:16 pm

Veganman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:19 pm I agree Simplicity. Philosophy has its place, but if people spent more time working on developing their empathy, the world would be a better place than it will ever be by ruminating on philosophy.

When people abandon reason, and depend on the irrational feelings and emotions to make their decisions it is a disaster for both those individuals and whatever society they are part of.

AND, 'you', "rcsaunders", have been a PRIME EXAMPLE of one who ABANDONS 'reason', itself.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:16 pm There is no more deceptive forms of sentimentality than those that go by names, empathy, sympathy, and compassion, and there is no limit to the amount of human depravity and oppression that those lies have been used to justify. Just any evil can be put over so long as one has the, "right feelings."

And, AGAIN, 'you', "rcsaunders", have been a PRIME EXAMPLE of 'evil' at work.

'you' HAVE ABANDONED 'reason' for your OWN 'feelings' INSTEAD. As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True here WITHIN your OWN writings. 'you' have EVEN PROVIDED the ACTUAL links to WHERE this can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True. So, THANK YOU "rcsaunders".

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:20 pm

Veganman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:56 am I think the "place" is when something needs to be questioned or studied philosophically in order to determine some form of truth. Philosophy to me is probably also best defined in this way. However, many things can be self evident truths without having to apply a philosophical frame of mind. I recall a professor of philosophy who mainly lectured on ethics. His idea of lecturing was to punctuate with little anecdotes, like how he was looking forward to getting home and having a nice steak for his dinner. Professor of philosophy he may well have been, but his idea of ethics was a little confused. Personally, I'd rather take my ethical philosophy lessons from a relatively uneducated but kind, compassionate vegan, than a hypocritical professor of philosophy.

Intellectualism creates agendas. Yours appears to be veganism. Good for you. But just the same, you see the world through vegetable-colored glasses, so to speak. This is a universal human affliction, that is, our intellects creating a personal narrative that explains the world to each of us. Part of the narrative is the solution to whatever is determined to be the cause of suffering. Whereas eating a vegan diet might be a wonderful thing, it is just a very small part of the puzzle, one that has an infinite number of pieces that are constantly changing their shapes.

The 'pieces' of the ACTUAL 'puzzle', called Life, do NOT 'change' AT ALL. But what is 'constantly changing', (that is; when one is NOT HOLDING a BELIEF), are the VIEWS, or what the 'pieces' LOOK LIKE, to 'you', human beings.

ALL of the 'pieces' of the 'puzzle of Life' ALWAYS REMAIN the EXACT SAME. There is, after all, ONLY One Life and One Life ALONE. Thee Truth of being held up within the Big Picture. Which, by the way, is EXTREMELY VERY SIMPLE and EASY to SEE, and UNDERSTAND, once one learns and KNOWS how to LOOK AT and SEE 'things', properly AND correctly, for how they REALLY ARE. So, the Big Picture does become CRYSTAL CLEAR.

Being ABLE TO SEE the Big Picture for what 'Life', Itself, Truly IS happens and occurs when 'one' is continually seeking to CHANGE "them" 'self' for the BETTER, whilst doing this in a completely Truly Honest and OPEN way. The 'pieces' of the 'puzzle' then just FALL INTO PLACE all by themselves, wich is what makes ALL-OF-THIS become CRYSTAL CLEAR, and IRREFUTABLE. By the way, when one is CHANGING, for the better, WITH absolutely NO fear of being 'judged', 'punished', NOR 'ridiculed', then the speed of the whole process is magnified exponentially. So, that the population of the whole world could ALL SEE thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things' within just a generation or two.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:20 pm If you would broaden your perspective somewhat, you might see that whatever diet we may consume doesn't have a great deal of significance on the whole. The truth of the matter is that we can only experience life, not understand it.

Is 'this' what 'you', "yourself", have come to 'understand', or just what 'you' have 'experienced'?

Because some of us, contrary to popular BELIEF, in the days when this is being written, have come to UNDERSTAND 'Life', Itself, ALREADY.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:20 pm Our intellectual capacity simply cannot access Reality on any level.

LOL This, itself, appears to be an intellectual perception of what Reality, itself, IS, EXACTLY.

You, after all, CLAIMING that 'your', human being intellectual capacity, simply can NOT access Reality, on ANY level, correct?

Can 'you' SEE the CONTRADICTION and HYPOCRISY here?

If 'you' could NOT simply access 'Reality' on ANY level, then REALLY you could NOT logically NOR accurately make ANY CLAIM AT ALL, correct?

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:20 pm So just accept things the way they are and react according.

But how are 'things', to 'you', REALLY, for me to 'accept'?

And, REMEMBER it was 'you' who CLAIMED that 'you' have NO capacity AT ALL to simply access Reality, Itself, on ANY level.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:20 pm No need to try to improve on what the Universe has graciously put at our disposal. I

And what EXACTLY has the Universe, graciously, put at 'your' disposal?

To me, the CONTRADICTIONS and HYPOCRISY is BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS, but I really do wonder if you can YET SEE 'them' AS WELL?

Your word SHOW otherwise.

Oh, and by the way, could you be Wrong and Incorrect here?

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:29 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:16 pm When people abandon reason, and depend on the irrational feelings and emotions to make their decisions it is a disaster for both those individuals and whatever society they are part of. There is no more deceptive forms of sentimentality than those that go by names, empathy, sympathy, and compassion, and there is no limit to the amount of human depravity and oppression that those lies have been used to justify. Just any evil can be put over so long as one has the, "right feelings."

When it comes to reasoning, you must take the bad with the good.

You take the bad, if you like, but no one is obliged to accept the bad. That's what every would-be tyrant would like the world to believe.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:29 pm There are an unlimited amount of examples of how reasoning is contaminated by all kinds of feelings. It is the human condition.

It's not a, "human condition," as though one had to have their thinking corrupted by yielding to every whim, feeling, and emotion they felt. It's a choice. Whenever one chooses to allow their irrational feelings and emotions influence their thinking. their reasoning is corrupted with their own complicity.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:29 pm You might wish to consider the notion that you need very little reasoning. And as a matter of pure speculation, I would suggest [as have many others throughout history] that 99.9% of all you need "to know" takes place before your reasoning kicks-in. For example...

...let's say you are tooling down the sidewalk and all of a sudden a toddler shoots by in chase of his ball. In just a moment the little guy will meet a speeding car approaching in the opposite direction. Fortunately, you happen to be alert and grab the boys arm saving him from an unenviable ending.

The mind is incredible fast [if we would just allow it to work]. Another example...

I live in the LA area certainly known for our crowded freeways. You ever wonder how it is possible that thousands of people can be driving at very high rates of speed constantly making micro-corrections to their vehicle's position and velocity without killing themselves [and those around them]? How can this complex processing take place? Rarely through reasoning. Never [successfully] through feelings. Over-thinking it with this task is deadly [as it is in every other case, the difference being that the later results in a much slower death].

You have totally confused the behavior of the autonomic nervous system, reflexes, and habituated (practiced) behavior with rational choice.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:16 pm When people abandon reason, and depend on the irrational feelings and emotions to make their decisions it is a disaster for both those individuals and whatever society they are part of. There is no more deceptive forms of sentimentality than those that go by names, empathy, sympathy, and compassion, and there is no limit to the amount of human depravity and oppression that those lies have been used to justify. Just any evil can be put over so long as one has the, "right feelings."

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:59 pm A Simple Test
No one encourages study and the acquisition of new knowledge more than I. I believe everyone ought to learn all they possibly can about as many things as they possibly can.

Really??
I see you are suffering from confirmation bias and only learn those knowledge that you are bias with. Thus what you ended up with is "arrogant ignorance".

New Knowledge?
I am now taking a Harvard U external course [15 weeks one semester] in Biochemistry. That is critical to 'Know Thyself' [internally in this case.] I'll be enrolling for more knowledge outside philosophy.

You on the other hand is stuck within a tall-narrow-Silo with a half-cooked knowledge on 'reason'. You have a lot of learn.

In one's quest for knowledge, however, one must be on guard against "false knowledge," because there is so much in this world presenting itself as knowledge which is nothing more than deception.

Your above is false knowledge because it is so one-sided.
The point is, in general there is complementarity between opposites, the Middle Way is the most effective path to take.
In this case, 'reason' must be complemented with 'emotions' to ensure effectiveness in acquiring true knowledge.

Have you read the works of Antonio Damasio, et. al.?

WIKI" wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Damasio
Damasio's research in neuroscience has shown that emotions play a central role in social cognition and decision-making.[4]

Damasio's main field is neurobiology, especially the neural systems which underlie emotion, decision-making, memory, language and consciousness. Damasio might believe that emotions play a critical role in high-level cognition—an idea counter to dominant 20th-century views in psychology, neuroscience and philosophy.[citation needed]

Damasio formulated the somatic marker hypothesis,[5] a theory about how emotions and their biological underpinnings are involved in decision-making (both positively and negatively, and often non-consciously). Emotions provide the scaffolding for the construction of social cognition and are required for the self processes which undergird consciousness.[citation needed] "Damasio provides a contemporary scientific validation of the linkage between feelings and the body by highlighting the connection between mind and nerve cells ... this personalized embodiment of mind."[6]

There is one test that can always be used to distinguish between what is true knowledge and false knowledge.

True knowledge is always based on reason, and can be understood using one's own ability to think objectively. False knowledge is universally based on, something other than reason, such as appealing to one's irrational fears and worries, or feelings for all life, or grand promises of some alternate medicine usually couched in scientific sounding jargon.

What you missed out is wisdom, i.e. the optimal knowledge [practical] in optimizing one's well being and that of humanity's.

These days that something other is frequently some form of sentimentality, such as "compassion," or "sympathy," or "empathy," seldom directed at any particular thing or objective beyond promoting a "kinder gentler" world or attitude. Whatever you are studying, when you discover that it is defended on the basis of any of these deceptive concepts, you can be sure it is, "false knowledge."

"Compassion," or "sympathy," or "empathy," are critical 'feelings' to ensure the optimality of the well being of the individual[s] and that of humanity.

As I had stated what is effective is the 'Middle Way' i.e. a balanced between emotions and reason. According to Damasio, emotions are more critical than 'reason' to optimize well being.

As such "Compassion," or "sympathy," or "empathy," when taken to the extreme, e.g. that is what the 'Left' is doing for the 'victims' [minorities, etc.] at present without any consideration for reasonable reason and truth. Such thinking is stupidity.

Some people are so empathic and compassionate that they end up killing themselves trying to save a drowning dog or certain animal in distress.
Note the religious Jains who wear masks [thousands of year ago] to ensure they do not breathe in insects and kill them, they will also sweep the front of them so they do not step on insects, etc. Such extremes are driven by stupidity.

Note the extreme of 'reason' that end up with genocides, e.g. Hitler then did reason the pure Germans were the most superior human beings on Earth, thus the rest especially the Jews should be exterminated. This is why Kant's Critique of Pure Reason is applicable.

What is critical is the complementarity of emotions and reason -with the specific emphasis on either one - to optimize within certain specific circumstances.

However at present, as demonstrated by Damasio, 'feelings' are more critical [higher weightage] than 'reason' to optimize well being for the individual[s] and humanity.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:05 am Oh, and by the way, could you be Wrong and Incorrect here?

Nobody can be right [on an absolute basis], as it's only degrees of "wrongness" on the relative ones.

That's the point of everything I write.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:18 am It's not a, "human condition," as though one had to have their thinking corrupted by yielding to every whim, feeling, and emotion they felt. It's a choice. Whenever one chooses to allow their irrational feelings and emotions influence their thinking. their reasoning is corrupted with their own complicity.

Look at what the average person is doing out there and that's the human condition, not your ideal person under ideal conditions.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:18 amYou have totally confused the behavior of the autonomic nervous system, reflexes, and habituated (practiced) behavior with rational choice.

Perhaps you could explain the infinite interconnections of these systems and how they operate. This would be quite the contribution to the nuero-sciences as we present understand them.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:21 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:37 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:21 am

HERE is MORE and FURTHER ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE PROOF of just how Truly INCAPABLE the adult human being WAS, back in the days when this was being written.

They would make all these ASSERTIONS and CLAIMS, but when 'pushed' for CLARITY, through questioning or challenging, they would on MOST OCCASIONS FAIL, CRUMBLE, and FALL TO PIECES. As, ONCE AGAIN, PROVED True AGAIN HERE.

And, in the case with this one here known as "atla", the HYPOCRISY and CONTRADICTIONS are ONCE AGAIN so BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.

One would WONDER WHY "atla" could NOT even SEE the CONTRADICTION BEFORE 'it' was EXPRESSED, let alone STILL NOT being ABLE to SEE 'this' AFTER the Fact has been CLEARLY POINTED OUT and SHOWN?

Or, are the words "try harder" just ANOTHER ATTEMPT at DIVERSION and DECEIT?

Try even harder. You know, reading back.

You are SUCH a WEAK and INCAPABLE human being you can NOT even EXPLAIN what you TALK ABOUT and REFER to, EXACTLY.

And, you REALLY are SO SCARED and AFRAID you WILL continue on with YOUR DIVERSIONARY and DECEPTIVE TACTICS. As you WILL PROVE me True ONCE AGAIN.

I know that reading a few lines is a monumental task and no one should ever ask of you such a great sacrifice, but maybe if you bring your absolute A game, you just might succeed? (obviously not)

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:38 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:05 am Oh, and by the way, could you be Wrong and Incorrect here?

Nobody can be right [on an absolute basis], as it's only degrees of "wrongness" on the relative ones.

So, you could be wrong about "nobody can be right" [on an absolute basis], to just about the FULLEST degree of 'wrongness', correct?

By the way, can you SEE how what you wrote here, is being expressed and is coming across as though what you say and claim here is 'absolutely right' [on an absolute basis]?

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:38 pm That's the point of everything I write.

And that is perfectly fine for you to write EVERY thing on the basis that there is NO absolute basis. But then you WILL also HAVE TO ADMIT what you CLAIM could just be wrong anyway, correct?

You can NOT have it both ways. That is; you can NOT, 'logically', claim that there is NO 'absolute Right' and CLAIM that that is 'absolutely Right' also.

See, I KNOW what the 'absolute basis' IS EXACTLY, which is what EVERY thing that is SAID and WRITTEN is BASED ON.

MEANS, to me, there is an absolute Right and an absolute Wrong, from which EVERY thing can be based on. I can also PROVE this True, and IRREFUTABLY True because I ALREADY KNOW what thee Truth, Itself, is ALSO absolutely based UP-ON, and FROM.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:59 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:21 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:37 pm
Try even harder. You know, reading back.

You are SUCH a WEAK and INCAPABLE human being you can NOT even EXPLAIN what you TALK ABOUT and REFER to, EXACTLY.

And, you REALLY are SO SCARED and AFRAID you WILL continue on with YOUR DIVERSIONARY and DECEPTIVE TACTICS. As you WILL PROVE me True ONCE AGAIN.

I know that reading a few lines is a monumental task and no one should ever ask of you such a great sacrifice, but maybe if you bring your absolute A game, you just might succeed? (obviously not)

ALL you REALLY SAY is; "You can NOT do what you say and claim you can do".

Which is what ONLY the WEAK and SCARED would say.

PROVE me Wrong instead of just SAYING, "I am wrong".

I READ what you WROTE. And, I have ALREADY POINTED OUT and SHOWN WHEN and WHERE you ARE Wrong.

Which is EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of what you have EVER been ABLE to do with 'me'.

So, you can keep TRYING.

Oh, and by the way, what was 'it' AGAIN you want to KEEP CLAIMING I can NOT READ?

Your ABILITY, or LACK there of, in EXPLAINING 'things' here will SHOW and PROVE MORE about 'you' than about 'me'.

SEE, ONLY the VERY WEAK would ACCUSE "another" of "NOT being able to read", but NEVER provide ANY ACTUAL supporting evidence NOR proof.

I will NOW SHOW what ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE here. This is what 'supporting evidence AND proof' ACTUALLY looks like.

You wrote:
Why do you keep commenting here, [to another] when the value of any contribution including yours is ZERO?

I wrote:
This appears to be an EXTREMELY FUNNY thing to say. Especially considering the Fact that you have just commented here, when, SUPPOSEDLY, the value of absolutely ANY contribution at all (including YOUR OWN) will be ZERO as well. So, WHY did you comment here?

Besides the Fact that you have completely and utterly FAILED, ONCE AGAIN, to just answer the VERY OPEN and SIMPLE CLARIFYING question here, all you could manage to say and write was;

"Learn to read".

Now, since my reply ADDRESSED absolutely EVERY thing you said and wrote absolutely ACCURATELY, your response of, "Learn to read", is even MORE HILARIOUS for us to OBSERVE and SEE. And, since I POINTED OUT and SHOWED just how ABSURD, RIDICULOUS, and ILLOGICAL your question REALLY was all you have 'tried to' do here is TRY and DEFLECT with the ABSURD words, "Learn to read" and "Try harder".

LOOK, we have ALL SEEN, very CLEARLY, I will add, just HOW ABSURD and ILLOGICAL your question REALLY WAS. You can NOT ESCAPE this Fact NOW, no matter how MUCH or how MANY TIMES you 'try to' DEFLECT. The ONLY 'one' you are DECEIVING here is "your" 'self'.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:41 am See, I KNOW what the 'absolute basis' IS EXACTLY, which is what EVERY thing that is SAID and WRITTEN is BASED ON.

MEANS, to me, there is an absolute Right and an absolute Wrong, from which EVERY thing can be based on. I can also PROVE this True, and IRREFUTABLY True because I ALREADY KNOW what thee Truth, Itself, is ALSO absolutely based UP-ON, and FROM.

That and two bits will get you a cheap cup of coffee.

simplicity wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:41 am See, I KNOW what the 'absolute basis' IS EXACTLY, which is what EVERY thing that is SAID and WRITTEN is BASED ON.

MEANS, to me, there is an absolute Right and an absolute Wrong, from which EVERY thing can be based on. I can also PROVE this True, and IRREFUTABLY True because I ALREADY KNOW what thee Truth, Itself, is ALSO absolutely based UP-ON, and FROM.

That and two bits will get you a cheap cup of coffee.

WHY are 'you', posters, here completely and utterly INCAPABLE of CHALLENGING 'me' on what I SAY, WRITE and CLAIM here?

Also, WHY are 'you', posters, completely and utterly UNABLE to just even ATTEMPT to back up and support what you SAY, WRITE, and CLAIM here.

You made the CLAIM: "Nobody can be right [on an absolute basis], as it's only degrees of "wrongness" on the relative ones."

But what EVERY one of 'you' who make CLAIMS about there could NEVER be 'absolute Truth' nor an 'absolute Right or Wrong' ALWAYS seem to FAIL to RECOGNIZE and SEE that that CLAIM is NOT an 'absolute Truth' NOR 'absolutely Right' ALSO. Which absolutely MEANS that that CLAIM is NOT True NOR Right AT ALL.

In other words, 'you' when say and claim such things 'you' end up, literally, CONTRADICTING "your" OWN 'self'. Which MEANS 'it' IS SELF-CONTRADICTORY.

Now if ANY one of 'you' think or BELIEVE that those sort of CLAIMS are NOT SELF-CONTRADICTORY, then AT LEAST just 'TRY TO' EXPLAIN and SHOW how they are NOT 'SELF-CONTRADICTORY'.

'you', posters, here seem to FORGET that this is a 'philosophy forum' when you write things like: "That and two bits will get you a cheap cup of coffee".

LOOK, I made A CLAIM, of which I KNOW I can back up AND support with PROOF that NO one could REFUTE. So, what 'I' can get, from what I SAY and WRITE here, and what 'you' can get, from what you SAY and WRITE here, we will just have to WAIT, and SEE.

But, until then, I am OPEN and READY for EVERY and ANY CHALLENGE AT ALL.