Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:36 amWe narrate constantly. Stories may be told for entertainment or titillation but these stories are less meaningful than stories that glorify life- supporting behaviour. Even at the banal and ephemeral level of a commercial firm experts are hired to make up a story called a 'brand image'.
With regard to Noah's Flood, when people are starving due to flood or desertification there is the temptation to kill the heifer or eat the seed corn, and the reasons not to do so is glorified by means of important myth.
I agree that we are constantly narrating and contextualising. Perhaps you are right about Noah's Flood and the writers of the old testament understood it as you suggest, but I would have thought that Joseph and the 7 years of famine addresses that more directly. Maybe people weren't getting the message.
I don't remember the story of Joseph and the 7 years of famine, and I'll accept your objection. I can't let go of my pet theory that memorable myths are integral to the structure of cultures.
There may be many myths on the same theme. I will google this.
The above link describes dragons myths and giants myths, and Scott Mayers may find this relevant to ancient peoples finding dinosaur fossils. I simply think that dinosaur fossils cannot be important to any section of ancient societies , not even civilised ancient societies, except perhaps to corroborate already existing myths about dragons.
The raven is an interesting actor in the Biblical story of Noah's Flood. Ravens in myth and folklore bridge life and death. Noah in the Ark was in danger, and naturally he would seek evidence to predict whether or not he and his family would live or die.
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The Judaic and Christian gloss on a more ancient flood myth is the covenant between Noah and God. Noah's dove, like the holy spirit in the NT , brings evidence that God will provide what man needs.
The above link describes dragons myths and giants myths, and Scott Mayers may find this relevant to ancient peoples finding dinosaur fossils. I simply think that dinosaur fossils cannot be important to any section of ancient societies , not even civilised ancient societies, except perhaps to corroborate already existing myths about dragons.
Cultures around the world tell stories about a great flood.[18] In many cases, the flood leaves only one survivor or group of survivors. For example, both the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh and the Hebrew Bible tell of a global flood that wiped out humanity and of a man who saved the Earth's species by taking them aboard a boat.[19] Similar stories of a single flood survivor appear in Hindu mythology where Manu saves the Earth from the deluge by building an ark[20] as well as Greek, Norse mythology and Aztec mythology.[21]
You just provided me with the particular (supporting) evidence I could not yet argue. I guessed the same world-wide deluge concept with a distinct renewed world should be extant where ANY early culture finds fossil evidence....even in isolation. I underline the Aztec mythology here because the rest are strictly from the Old World contintents. If diversely isolated groups come up with the same form of story as a significantly of this kind, it supports the likelihood of discovery of fossil evidence being used as the initiating source.
Note that in Iran, that there exists also a remnant mountain-top appearance of the ark which may also have contributed to the story and why I was not sure if the the same myth in other possible isolated parts may have the settling of the boat upon a mountaintop. However, this was initially noticed best in the air photographs and would only relate to that particular possible ending. It is also likely post-hoc. Here's a Google general image link to it: Noah's Ark found
The above link describes dragons myths and giants myths, and Scott Mayers may find this relevant to ancient peoples finding dinosaur fossils. I simply think that dinosaur fossils cannot be important to any section of ancient societies , not even civilised ancient societies, except perhaps to corroborate already existing myths about dragons.
Cultures around the world tell stories about a great flood.[18] In many cases, the flood leaves only one survivor or group of survivors. For example, both the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh and the Hebrew Bible tell of a global flood that wiped out humanity and of a man who saved the Earth's species by taking them aboard a boat.[19] Similar stories of a single flood survivor appear in Hindu mythology where Manu saves the Earth from the deluge by building an ark[20] as well as Greek, Norse mythology and Aztec mythology.[21]
You just provided me with the particular (supporting) evidence I could not yet argue. I guessed the same world-wide deluge concept with a distinct renewed world should be extant where ANY early culture finds fossil evidence....even in isolation. I underline the Aztec mythology here because the rest are strictly from the Old World contintents. If diversely isolated groups come up with the same form of story as a significantly of this kind, it supports the likelihood of discovery of fossil evidence being used as the initiating source.
Note that in Iran, that there exists also a remnant mountain-top appearance of the ark which may also have contributed to the story and why I was not sure if the the same myth in other possible isolated parts may have the settling of the boat upon a mountaintop. However, this was initially noticed best in the air photographs and would only relate to that particular possible ending. It is also likely post-hoc. Here's a Google general image link to it: Noah's Ark found
I disagree only with the amount of causal significance of fossils for cultures. I think that matters of life and death, such as crops or droughts, must always have been more important than fossils.
Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:50 am
I disagree only with the amount of causal significance of fossils for cultures. I think that matters of life and death, such as crops or droughts, must always have been more important than fossils.
I said all I am interested to this topic at the moment but will seek a more general discussion regarding something underlying the points I make that leads me to this kind of interpretation upon the many themes of religion.