simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:34 pm
In what way does responsibility give any meaning to life?
I think I might need a little more than this.
Perhaps we should ask what meaning is.
But you started this thread by making the claim that:
Assuming responsibility is what gives meaning to life.
And what this implies is that you have ALREADY asked the question;
What is meaning?
And, answered it, properly and correctly.
Now, if you have NOT ALREADY done this, then HOW could have arrived at the conclusion and made the claim;
"Assuming responsibility is what gives meaning to life" Accurately, and conclusively?
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Meaning is similar to economic value. It is something that must be desired as well as something that must have a component of human effort [similar to a commodity having a market and the addition of labor-value].
Not necessarily so.
HOW, and WHY, did you arrive at this "conclusion"?
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Just like things that are "free" [i.e., widely available...like air] have no economic value, things that lack effort [the taking of responsibility] have no meaning. Again, meaning is what we add to things through our efforts/care.
This sounds like you are just 'trying to' "rationalize" and "justify" your ALREADY obtained and held onto BELIEFS.
In fact you appear to be putting some 'effort' into "rationalizing" your BELIEF here.
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
This is why people who refuse to take responsibility are miserable.
There is said to be almost eight billion people alive, on the day when this was written, how many of these people did you interview for your claim here? What are you judging/assessing 'taking responsibility' on, EXACTLY? And, what are you judging/assessing 'miserable' on, EXACTLY?
And, when a person, let us say, 'takes responsibility' on one day, or on one morning, does this mean that they are "happy", on that morning or that day, but, if they do 'not take responsibility' that afternoon, or the following day, then they become "miserable" that afternoon or the following day?
Now, is it at all possible that the idea, "Assuming responsibility is what gives meaning to life", just arose in that head, you began BELIEVING that it is true, and now you are just 'trying to' find the "right" words that you hope will justify/prove true your BELIEFS here?
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
There is no free lunch.
This does NOT, in ANY WAY, make your claim that, 'meaning of life is given by taking responsibility'.
This is NOT to say NOR claim that 'the (ACTUAL) meaning of life' is NOT uncovered or revealed during and while one is 'taking responsibility', but to say that just 'taking responsibility' is what gives meaning to life.
What gives 'meaning' to ANY thing is human beings, "themselves". Or, what the intrinsic value or nature of some 'thing' is within itself. Human beings doing some 'thing', like 'taking responsibility', by itself does NOT 'give' 'meaning' to ANY thing.
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Although another can supply you with economic fruits, you will never have the satisfaction of doing for yourself [one of the many reasons why welfare systems destroy adults].
You really do have, and take, a very narrowed, short sighted, and generalized view of things.
1. Not EVERY human being who refuses to 'take responsibility' are "miserable". I have observed MANY human beings, on MANY occasions, NOT 'take responsibility' and just go out with "others", as though they do not need to 'take responsibility', and enjoy life, living, and being alive.
2. Not EVERY adult who has accessed the welfare system has been "destroyed". I have observed MANY adults who have accessed the welfare system, and then go on and be NOT "destroyed".
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
In the same vane, those [adults] who refuse to take responsibility are essentially children, completely dependent and living lives without meaning.
If you were Truly Honest and OPEN with us I can SHOW and REVEAL MANY TIMES when you are NOT 'taking responsibility'.
Or, do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that you ALWAYS 'take responsibility'?
simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Look out any window, you can see them by the millions...folks obsessed by all of the addictions that have taken the place of meaning in modern life.
And some of those things you are ALSO addicted to.
Or, do you REALLY BELIEVE that you are DIFFERENT from ALL of those "others"?
Instead of arguing for, and PROVING your claim here irrefutably True, what you are doing more is just using your claim to LOOK AT and JUDGE "others" for NOT being as "good" as you BELIEVE you are.
Talk about NOT 'taking responsibility' here.