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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:01 am The task can be fully implemented and applied by the mother alone very easily without any problems. I know this, because I have done it, I have all the evidence and proof, seen in my own children right now.
How many children have you had?
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Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:38 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:01 am The task can be fully implemented and applied by the mother alone very easily without any problems. I know this, because I have done it, I have all the evidence and proof, seen in my own children right now.
How many children have you had?
What difference does that make?
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:28 am And if a child is brought up in a home without love and devotion, that child may develop in ways that preclude love and devotion in their own adult lives with a partner.
Yep.

Their single mother homes statically correllate very highly with criminality in young males, sexual abuse and early pregancy in young unmarried females, and substance abuse in both. (They also correlate to poverty, neglect and malnutrition, of course.) Ironically, single parent sons are more likely to end up being misogynistic and macho, because they lack suitable models of self-possessed, moral, male adulthood and tend to "rubber band" against women in order to define themselves as men: witness the phenomenon of gangs. And the daughters of single mother homes tend to be drawn to inappropriate relations, lacking the male approval and protection they naturally crave, and themselves become abused.

So it's a bad deal all around for the kids. And while there are exceptions, the studies have all been done and repeatedly replicated that show that's the statistical norm.

Here's an interesting study. https://gillespieshields.com/40-facts-t ... -families/.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:35 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:28 am And if a child is brought up in a home without love and devotion, that child may develop in ways that preclude love and devotion in their own adult lives with a partner.
Yep.

Their single mother homes statically correllate very highly with criminality in young males, sexual abuse and early pregancy in young unmarried females, and substance abuse in both. (They also correlate to poverty, neglect and malnutrition, of course.) Ironically, single parent sons are more likely to end up being misogynistic and macho, because they lack suitable models of self-possessed, moral, male adulthood and tend to "rubber band" against women in order to define themselves as men: witness the phenomenon of gangs. And the daughters of single mother homes tend to be drawn to inappropriate relations, lacking the male approval and protection they naturally crave, and themselves become abused.

So it's a bad deal all around for the kids. And while there are exceptions, the studies have all been done and repeatedly replicated that show that's the statistical norm.

Here's an interesting study. https://gillespieshields.com/40-facts-t ... -families/.
More holes than Swiss cheese. Where's the critical thinking? Everything is so black and white to you. It doesn't even make logical sense. What you are talking about isn't mothers--it's scummy lowlifes. Do you seriously believe that just because a woman doesn't have a ''morally upstanding''(whatever the fuck THAT means, but it sounds icky) husband then it makes her into a neglectful, drug-addled, moronic scumbag who doesn't give a shit about her children? There is never a shortage of 'male rold models' in those unfortunate children's lives...
Single mothers are everywhere, in all walks of life, and I don't know a SINGLE ONE who has been anything less than successful in bringing up her children.
What is your suggestion? Are you going to magic up perfect husbands for every woman? You really don't have a clue about life and reality.
''Self-possessed, moral, male adulthood''. Are you serious? :lol: :lol: :lol:

So, you are hate abortion, contraception, and at the same time women who bring up children without the benefit of a 'morally upstanding male'. Gee, kristians really 'are' a logical piece of work.

And stop hiding behind a ridiculously transparent 'faux concern' for children. It's just embarrassing.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:01 pm
Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:38 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:01 am The task can be fully implemented and applied by the mother alone very easily without any problems. I know this, because I have done it, I have all the evidence and proof, seen in my own children right now.
How many children have you had?
What difference does that make?
It doesn't. I'm simply asking a question. Now crawl off to the other section of your web and look for something else to sink your fangs into.
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Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:53 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:01 pm
Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:38 pm
How many children have you had?
What difference does that make?
It doesn't. I'm simply asking a question.
Then why ask?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:35 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:28 am And if a child is brought up in a home without love and devotion, that child may develop in ways that preclude love and devotion in their own adult lives with a partner.
Yep.

Their single mother homes statically correllate very highly with criminality in young males, sexual abuse and early pregancy in young unmarried females, and substance abuse in both. (They also correlate to poverty, neglect and malnutrition, of course.) Ironically, single parent sons are more likely to end up being misogynistic and macho, because they lack suitable models of self-possessed, moral, male adulthood and tend to "rubber band" against women in order to define themselves as men: witness the phenomenon of gangs. And the daughters of single mother homes tend to be drawn to inappropriate relations, lacking the male approval and protection they naturally crave, and themselves become abused.

So it's a bad deal all around for the kids. And while there are exceptions, the studies have all been done and repeatedly replicated that show that's the statistical norm.

Here's an interesting study. https://gillespieshields.com/40-facts-t ... -families/.
Do you have any problem with children being brought up by just their father?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:30 pm
Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:53 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:01 pm
What difference does that make?
It doesn't. I'm simply asking a question.
Then why ask?
Because I'm interested in the answer.
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Lacewing wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:01 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:30 pm
Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:53 pm
It doesn't. I'm simply asking a question.
Then why ask?
Because I'm interested in the answer.
Another woke phony. Why aren't you calling out can on his crap?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:05 am
Lacewing wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:01 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:30 pm Then why ask?
Because I'm interested in the answer.
Another woke phony. Why aren't you calling out can on his crap?
I'm asking the question because of other things that dontaskme has said... which, if you would shut the fuck up, I might get an answer to. I don't want to talk to Mr. Can right now... he is always oozing self-indulgent crap, and he's a twisted slimy phony, and I've had more than enough of him lately. I don't care what your conversation with him is... I'm not reading it.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:53 pm Do you seriously believe that just because a woman...
Do you know what some people say? They say women don't know the difference between a particular case and a statistical claim.

Me, I don't believe that's true. But you seem to be bolstering their case for them.

"A woman" and "the average of many women" are two quite different kinds of claim. I've said nothing whatsoever about the former. I have no idea why you have.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:46 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:53 pm Do you seriously believe that just because a woman...
Do you know what some people say? They say women don't know the difference between a particular case and a statistical claim.

Me, I don't believe that's true. But you seem to be bolstering their case for them.

"A woman" and "the average of many women" are two quite different kinds of claim. I've said nothing whatsoever about the former. I have no idea why you have.
Do you have any problem with men bringing up children on their own?
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Lacewing wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:41 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:05 am
Lacewing wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:01 am
Because I'm interested in the answer.
Another woke phony. Why aren't you calling out can on his crap?
I'm asking the question because of other things that dontaskme has said... which, if you would shut the fuck up, I might get an answer to. I don't want to talk to Mr. Can right now... he is always oozing self-indulgent crap, and he's a twisted slimy phony, and I've had more than enough of him lately. I don't care what your conversation with him is... I'm not reading it.
'Twisted, slimy phony'. That's so apt. If you spent less time getting fucked off with me and more time noticing that I admire your insight and use of language....
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:31 pm Do you have any problem with children being brought up by just their father?
Absolutely. As a rule, I would suspect that that's not as good, though I do know a few exceptional male single parents, as well.

But it doesn't happen nearly so often as single motherhood does, so that's a bit harder to prove, and studies of that are certainly less available. Courts tend automaticalliy to give small children to female custody, for one thing. And that's probably developmentally a good rule; mothers are especially urgent for young children.

What the research shows is that a healthy, loving, two-parent, and yes, heterosexual home is the ideal for children. Statistically (note: not always individually; there are rare exceptions) everything else is less desirable for the good of the kids.

And single mothers tell us that's so. They tell us every time they complain that they've got trouble and deserve special help. They tell us every time they reach for government aid that is denied to two-parent familes. And I'd wager practically all of them would gladly trade their situation for a two-loving-parent alternative, if they could get it.

Of course, some can't. The reasons vary.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:55 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:31 pm Do you have any problem with children being brought up by just their father?
Absolutely. As a rule, I would suspect that that's not as good, though I do know a few exceptional male single parents, as well.

But it doesn't happen nearly so often as single motherhood does, so that's a bit harder to prove, and studies of that are certainly less available. Courts tend automaticalliy to give small children to female custody, for one thing. And that's probably developmentally a good rule; mothers are especially urgent for young children.

What the research shows is that a healthy, loving, two-parent, and yes, heterosexual home is the ideal for children. Statistically (note: not always individually; there are rare exceptions) everything else is less desirable for the good of the kids.

And single mothers tell us that's so. They tell us every time they complain that they've got trouble and deserve special help. They tell us every time they reach for government aid that is denied to two-parent familes. And I'd wager practically all of them would gladly trade their situation for a two-loving-parent alternative, if they could get it.

Of course, some can't. The reasons vary.
So transparent...
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