Re: Why should we be blamed?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:35 pm
I am surprised you have one, given that you do not have balls enough to call a genocidal p**** a genocidal p****.
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Owe Oh Owe - U R talking about the dude that gave U life - via chaos close to eternity> Close... C_lose U WILL. (in NE argument U have about this entity - hate tho I may - not usually in May - weird I know)Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:35 pm I am surprised you have one, given that you do not have balls enough to call a genocidal p**** a genocidal p****.
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So what do you do things in the name of?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pmRegress. Can we agree that the regress cannot be real? I am asking because the proof is based on the impossibility of regress. By the way, I think we have discussed it in another thread.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 amYou are here now just REAFFIRMING and just FURTHER PROVING what I just said here.
Also, how many times do 'you', adult human beings, need to be told that you can have a, so called, "argument" but if it is NOT a valid and sound argument, then it can just be refuted anyway?
By the way, saying; "There is no God (I have an argument 'against it')", could be read as you have an argument 'against' or 'for' God. So, which one is it?
Here we are discussing the philosophy of religion so the blame is on people who believe in God and do things in the name of God.
You could not be further from thee actual Truth of things here.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pmSo, you are thinking that what I say is my belief while I think it is true? But if that is true then you are objecting.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 amI NEVER said ANY thing about 'objecting' ANY thing here. What I ACTUALLY said was:
Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.
In other words, you are BLIND to ANY thing other than what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
What does the word 'sin' here even mean to you?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pmThe one who sins should not be punished.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 amWho should NOT be punished?
I find you have a way of writing that does NOT make things ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. That is; you use words like 'they' and 'it', but with NO actual reference to what 'they' are NOR 'it' is.
For example, just now we were talking about adults AND children. So, which one is 'it'?
And, you NEVER answered the ACTUAL clarifying question posed to you. So, what you are essentially doing by answering the way you did here was just TO DETRACT/DEFLECT, ONCE AGAIN.
You do this BECAUSE 'you' can NOT back up and support what you SAY and CLAIM here.
I suggest you read through what I have said to you. What you are SHOWING here now is that you OBVIOUSLY have absolutely NO idea what I was talking about.
ABSOLUTE NOT.
If you think or believe that this is an 'argument', then if 'I' was 'you', then 'I' would do a course on 'logic'. But, then again, if 'I' was 'you' 'I' would BELIEVE that this is a sound and valid irrefutable argument anyway, correct?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:12 pmThere are two states of affair in act of the creation, nothing then something respectively. One state of affair follows another one. This act requires time. Time is a part of the creation itself. Therefore, the act of creation is impossible since this (the act requires time and time is a part of creation) leads to regress.
We are equal.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:15 pmSo what do you do things in the name of?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pmRegress. Can we agree that the regress cannot be real? I am asking because the proof is based on the impossibility of regress. By the way, I think we have discussed it in another thread.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am
You are here now just REAFFIRMING and just FURTHER PROVING what I just said here.
Also, how many times do 'you', adult human beings, need to be told that you can have a, so called, "argument" but if it is NOT a valid and sound argument, then it can just be refuted anyway?
By the way, saying; "There is no God (I have an argument 'against it')", could be read as you have an argument 'against' or 'for' God. So, which one is it?
Here we are discussing the philosophy of religion so the blame is on people who believe in God and do things in the name of God.
We are equal.
I am not doing anything wrong.
But I have an argument for everything that I think is true.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:15 pmYou could not be further from thee actual Truth of things here.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pmSo, you are thinking that what I say is my belief while I think it is true? But if that is true then you are objecting.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am
I NEVER said ANY thing about 'objecting' ANY thing here. What I ACTUALLY said was:
Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.
In other words, you are BLIND to ANY thing other than what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
Wrong.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:15 pmWhat does the word 'sin' here even mean to you?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pmThe one who sins should not be punished.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am
Who should NOT be punished?
I find you have a way of writing that does NOT make things ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. That is; you use words like 'they' and 'it', but with NO actual reference to what 'they' are NOR 'it' is.
For example, just now we were talking about adults AND children. So, which one is 'it'?
And, you NEVER answered the ACTUAL clarifying question posed to you. So, what you are essentially doing by answering the way you did here was just TO DETRACT/DEFLECT, ONCE AGAIN.
You do this BECAUSE 'you' can NOT back up and support what you SAY and CLAIM here.
You just were objecting.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 amI suggest you read through what I have said to you. What you are SHOWING here now is that you OBVIOUSLY have absolutely NO idea what I was talking about.
This can be PROVEN true because I will now ask you what was I talking about?
If and how you respond will either PROVE what I just say now is true or not true.
That certainly not true.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 amABSOLUTE NOT.
This is because a lot of times you contradict what you write, and, you are just plain and simply WRONG in what you say, which I have ALREADY explained to you. But, you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand this explanation. This is for the very reasons that I have also ALREADY explained. But, which again, you are NOT YET able to SEE nor understand this as well.
What do you think of my argument. I think it is correct.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:23 pmIf you think or believe that this is an 'argument', then if 'I' was 'you', then 'I' would do a course on 'logic'. But, then again, if 'I' was 'you' 'I' would BELIEVE that this is a sound and valid irrefutable argument anyway, correct?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:12 pmThere are two states of affair in act of the creation, nothing then something respectively. One state of affair follows another one. This act requires time. Time is a part of the creation itself. Therefore, the act of creation is impossible since this (the act requires time and time is a part of creation) leads to regress.
And what are 'we', again?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:09 pmWe are equal.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:15 pmSo what do you do things in the name of?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 pm
Regress. Can we agree that the regress cannot be real? I am asking because the proof is based on the impossibility of regress. By the way, I think we have discussed it in another thread.
Here we are discussing the philosophy of religion so the blame is on people who believe in God and do things in the name of God.
We are equal.
Says EVERY adult human being.
Absolutely EVERY one has a (self constructed) argument for what they think is true. They would NOT have to the conclusion that 'it' is true if they had NOT formulated some argument in that head.
You are ABSOLUTELY False, Wrong, AND Incorrect here.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:09 pmWrong.
You just were objecting.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 amI suggest you read through what I have said to you. What you are SHOWING here now is that you OBVIOUSLY have absolutely NO idea what I was talking about.
This can be PROVEN true because I will now ask you what was I talking about?
If and how you respond will either PROVE what I just say now is true or not true.
What, EXACTLY, is "certainly not true"?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:09 pmThat certainly not true.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 amABSOLUTE NOT.
This is because a lot of times you contradict what you write, and, you are just plain and simply WRONG in what you say, which I have ALREADY explained to you. But, you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand this explanation. This is for the very reasons that I have also ALREADY explained. But, which again, you are NOT YET able to SEE nor understand this as well.
What I think has NOT changed since I ALREADY informed you that what I think is that if you think or believe that what you wrote is an "argument", then you do NOT YET know how to form a valid and sound argument.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:10 pmWhat do you think of my argument. I think it is correct.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:23 pmIf you think or believe that this is an 'argument', then if 'I' was 'you', then 'I' would do a course on 'logic'. But, then again, if 'I' was 'you' 'I' would BELIEVE that this is a sound and valid irrefutable argument anyway, correct?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:12 pm
There are two states of affair in act of the creation, nothing then something respectively. One state of affair follows another one. This act requires time. Time is a part of the creation itself. Therefore, the act of creation is impossible since this (the act requires time and time is a part of creation) leads to regress.
Minds.
People do wrong things.
That is not true. Many people do things as a matter of self-interest, etc.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:33 pmAbsolutely EVERY one has a (self constructed) argument for what they think is true. They would NOT have to the conclusion that 'it' is true if they had NOT formulated some argument in that head.
Also, just because EVERY one formulates some sort of 'argument' that is NO WAY means that the "logic" used was valid nor sound, nor does it mean that they have "reasoned" out properly and correctly. As you have PROVEN many times ALREADY.
That is not true.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:33 pmYou are ABSOLUTELY False, Wrong, AND Incorrect here.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:09 pmWrong.
You just were objecting.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am
I suggest you read through what I have said to you. What you are SHOWING here now is that you OBVIOUSLY have absolutely NO idea what I was talking about.
This can be PROVEN true because I will now ask you what was I talking about?
If and how you respond will either PROVE what I just say now is true or not true.
Whatever you said.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 amWhat, EXACTLY, is "certainly not true"?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:09 pmThat certainly not true.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am
ABSOLUTE NOT.
This is because a lot of times you contradict what you write, and, you are just plain and simply WRONG in what you say, which I have ALREADY explained to you. But, you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand this explanation. This is for the very reasons that I have also ALREADY explained. But, which again, you are NOT YET able to SEE nor understand this as well.
That you contradict what you write, sometimes?
That you are just plain and simply WRONG, sometimes?
That I have ALREADY explained to you WHY I SEE contradiction and WRONGNESS in what you write?
That you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand the reasons WHY when I explain WHY to me you are contradictory and wrong?
That I have ALREADY explained WHY you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand what I am saying and explaining to you?
And/or ALL of the above?
You, once more, have PROVEN that you write in VERY UNCLEAR ways.
What is wrong with my argument? Why do you think that it does not sound?Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:37 pmWhat I think has NOT changed since I ALREADY informed you that what I think is that if you think or believe that what you wrote is an "argument", then you do NOT YET know how to form a valid and sound argument.
But if you think or believe that that, so called, "argument" is correct and that that serves you well, then that is all that really matters, to you, correct?
Oh, and just out of curiosity, could your argument be incorrect?
So, if "we are minds", as you CLAIM 'we' ARE, then WHY do also 'you' say that " 'we' HAVE minds? "
So, when 'you' use the 'I' word before when saying, "I am not doing anything wrong", then were 'you' implying or inferring that that 'I' is NOT a person?
'What' EXACTLY is supposedly "not true" here?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:51 pmThat is not true.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:33 pmAbsolutely EVERY one has a (self constructed) argument for what they think is true. They would NOT have to the conclusion that 'it' is true if they had NOT formulated some argument in that head.
Also, just because EVERY one formulates some sort of 'argument' that is NO WAY means that the "logic" used was valid nor sound, nor does it mean that they have "reasoned" out properly and correctly. As you have PROVEN many times ALREADY.
So what?
So, although you BELIEVE you are able to tell "others" what IS TRUE and what IS NOT TRUE about the "world" around them, you also now BELIEVE that you tell "others" what thoughts THERE ARE or THERE ARE NOT in other heads.
LOLbahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:51 pmWhatever you said.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 amWhat, EXACTLY, is "certainly not true"?
That you contradict what you write, sometimes?
That you are just plain and simply WRONG, sometimes?
That I have ALREADY explained to you WHY I SEE contradiction and WRONGNESS in what you write?
That you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand the reasons WHY when I explain WHY to me you are contradictory and wrong?
That I have ALREADY explained WHY you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand what I am saying and explaining to you?
And/or ALL of the above?
You, once more, have PROVEN that you write in VERY UNCLEAR ways.
These are off-topic. Back to OP.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:05 amSo, if "we are minds", as you CLAIM 'we' ARE, then WHY do also 'you' say that " 'we' HAVE minds? "
How EXACTLY can 'we' be BOTH "a mind" and "have a mind"?
So, when 'you' use the 'I' word before when saying, "I am not doing anything wrong", then were 'you' implying or inferring that that 'I' is NOT a person?
'What' EXACTLY is supposedly "not true" here?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:51 pmThat is not true.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:33 pm
Absolutely EVERY one has a (self constructed) argument for what they think is true. They would NOT have to the conclusion that 'it' is true if they had NOT formulated some argument in that head.
Also, just because EVERY one formulates some sort of 'argument' that is NO WAY means that the "logic" used was valid nor sound, nor does it mean that they have "reasoned" out properly and correctly. As you have PROVEN many times ALREADY.
So what?
What has that got to do with what I said here?
So, although you BELIEVE you are able to tell "others" what IS TRUE and what IS NOT TRUE about the "world" around them, you also now BELIEVE that you tell "others" what thoughts THERE ARE or THERE ARE NOT in other heads.
'you', "bahman", appear to have a VERY STRONG 'superiority' complex.
LOLbahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:51 pmWhatever you said.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am
What, EXACTLY, is "certainly not true"?
That you contradict what you write, sometimes?
That you are just plain and simply WRONG, sometimes?
That I have ALREADY explained to you WHY I SEE contradiction and WRONGNESS in what you write?
That you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand the reasons WHY when I explain WHY to me you are contradictory and wrong?
That I have ALREADY explained WHY you are NOT YET able to SEE and understand what I am saying and explaining to you?
And/or ALL of the above?
You, once more, have PROVEN that you write in VERY UNCLEAR ways.
SO, "whatever" I said, to you, is just NOT TRUE.
Okay. That SAYS and EXPLAINS a LOT about WHY you write what you write and about the WAY that you write what you write.
Which is all VERY CONVENIENT for you to say now, correct?bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:08 amThese are off-topic. Back to OP.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:05 amSo, if "we are minds", as you CLAIM 'we' ARE, then WHY do also 'you' say that " 'we' HAVE minds? "
How EXACTLY can 'we' be BOTH "a mind" and "have a mind"?
So, when 'you' use the 'I' word before when saying, "I am not doing anything wrong", then were 'you' implying or inferring that that 'I' is NOT a person?
'What' EXACTLY is supposedly "not true" here?
So what?
What has that got to do with what I said here?
So, although you BELIEVE you are able to tell "others" what IS TRUE and what IS NOT TRUE about the "world" around them, you also now BELIEVE that you tell "others" what thoughts THERE ARE or THERE ARE NOT in other heads.
'you', "bahman", appear to have a VERY STRONG 'superiority' complex.
LOL
SO, "whatever" I said, to you, is just NOT TRUE.
Okay. That SAYS and EXPLAINS a LOT about WHY you write what you write and about the WAY that you write what you write.