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Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:24 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:19 pm Any percent of a margin of error is a margin of error. Do 99.99999999....% and .000...0001% differ? Yes, drastically.

You are rendering the difference immaterial if you call both things "unpredictability".

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:25 pm Given a long enough timeline all possibilities manifest.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:30 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:25 pm Given a long enough timeline all possibilities manifest.

You were literally just arguing that they don't all manifest the same number of times. Make up your mind.

If all possibilities manifest then the coin toss simultaneously manifests under the same number of times in one sphere and a different number of times in another. One sphere is observable, either one, and the other isn't.

Something happening once and something happening 10^100 times over the same duration is not the same frequency of ocurrence.

Yes.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:36 pm If all possibilities manifest then the coin toss simultaneously manifests under the same number of times in one sphere and a different number of times in another. One sphere is observable, either one, and the other isn't.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:36 pm Yes.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:53 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:36 pm If all possibilities manifest then the coin toss simultaneously manifests under the same number of times in one sphere and a different number of times in another. One sphere is observable, either one, and the other isn't.

You are describing superposition. Which has a wave function.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:36 pm Yes.

So you cannot claim tautology.

Answering yes/no requires information. Tautologies contain none.

Tautologies are a variation of the original premise thus contain information by nature.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:07 am Tautologies are a variation of the original premise thus contain information by nature.

In logic, a tautology (from the Greek word ταυτολογία) is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:09 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:07 am Tautologies are a variation of the original premise thus contain information by nature.

It's not a tautology if it's false under variation.

A false variation is a disjunction where the tautology ceases and a new one is formed.

In logic, a tautology (from the Greek word ταυτολογία) is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation.

False, a tautology extends beyond logic and is:

"the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g., they arrived one after the other in succession )."



As to the truth of a tautology all assertions are true by the very means of existing. 2+2=5 observes a disjunction of 2+2 and 5 but 2 and 5 exist and as existing are true.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:14 am All assertions are true as existing. 2+2=5 observes a disjunction of 2+2 and 5 but 2 and 5 exist and as existing are true.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:17 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:14 am All assertions are true as existing. 2+2=5 observes a disjunction of 2+2 and 5 but 2 and 5 exist and as existing are true.

So you are OK if I borrow $5 from you? I'll pay you back. $2 next week, and $2 the week after.

In fact. Can I borrow 1000 * $5 from you?

I'll pay you back 1000 * $2 tomorrow and 1000 * $2 the day after.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:19 am False context. 2+2=5 is false.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:20 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:19 am False context. 2+2=5 is false.

So it's not a tautology.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:23 am The tautology, as a string, ceases to exist after "2+2=" and becomes a new tautology with 5. One truth statement diverges into another as multiple truth statements which do not align.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:24 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:23 am The tautology, as a string, ceases to exist after "2+2=" and becomes a new tautology with 5. One truth statement diverges into another as multiple truth statements which do not align.

A tautology requires alignment of truth-statements across all interpretations.

What you are calling a tautology isn't.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:28 am All the variables which compose the statement are composed of repeating phenomena which align to form a new phenomena. 2 and 5 are tautologies of one.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:39 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:28 am All the variables which compose the statement are composed of repeating phenomena which align to form a new phenomena. 2 and 5 are tautologies of one.

2 is a tautology of 1+1
5 is a tautology of 1+1+1+1+1

2+2 is not a tautology of 5

asymmetry.