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Veritas Aequitas
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Re: The highest form of the human.

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TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:37 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:49 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:15 pm

This has no meaning. What is being human?

Saying it is more activity in part of the brain avoids telling us what we are talking about in daily life.
Can you tell me what the higher apes do not act [in the highest degrees] that we human beings do [in the lowest degrees - the natives] in daily life, e.g. eat, sleep, dream, sex, play, work for food, fight, and other daily activities?

The significant differences between the higher apes are the finer acts of wisdom, morality,
This brain region [the prefrontal cortex] of human beings has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behavior, personality expression, decision making, moderating social behavior, and moderating certain aspects of speech and language.
It's not clear what "wisdom" or " morality" are supposed to indicate.
What is wisdom? Forsight? A mechanical ability?
You are not clear what is "wisdom" or " morality"?
Do we have to drop to such a lower level of philosophy?
These terms should be norms for the average person doing philosophy.

These are from Wiki;
  • Wisdom, sapience, or sagacity is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense and insight.[1] Wisdom is associated with attributes such as unbiased judgment, compassion, experiential self-knowledge, self-transcendence and non-attachment,[2] and virtues such as ethics and benevolence.

    Morality (from Latin: moralitas, lit. 'manner, character, proper behavior') is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper.[1]
    Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal.[2] Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness".
Do you have any dispute with the above?
Apes discriminate between undeserved aggression from a larger ape and beating for a reason of normal hierarchy. They give sympathy only to those aggressed upon improperly. And yet, this could be discribed merely as a condtioned response or evolved behaviour. If it is only "behavior" perhaps so too is all movement and the tag "moral" is a fantasy.
Behaviors that are directly and solely driven by instincts or evolved behavior are not considered 'wisdom.'

The instinct to eat, fuck, breathe, sleep, and other instincts are not wisdom.

Wisdom is the application of knowledge via the use of the prefrontal cortex, i.e.
in planning complex cognitive behavior, personality expression, decision making, moderating social behavior, and moderating certain aspects of speech and language.
  • Example; The extra consideration [using the prefrontal cortex] to eat food, to cook in such a such manner that are safe and nutritious would be wisdom.
    It is the same with other human behaviors directed to be good that are not directly instinctual.
A picture emerges linking inanimate "behaviour" of stones and "dispersion of energy" or basic matter to human movements what is it exactly that is specifically human? The ability to delude ourselves by naming movement morality? Or, is movement too a deluded concept?

Speech may allow for abilities mere growling or tweeting doesn't but what in it are we endevouring to increase and why? And what does a view about what is more human or deserving to be ramped up stand on? Many opinions exsist about what to favour and intensify.
It is dumb to state 'morality is equated to movement.'
That is from your rhetoric.
I have not asserted that at all.

Note the definition of 'morality' above.
If you are still not sure, I suggest you do more research on 'what is the Philosophy of Morality and Ethics."
TheVisionofEr
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Re: The highest form of the human.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:53 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:37 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:49 am
Can you tell me what the higher apes do not act [in the highest degrees] that we human beings do [in the lowest degrees - the natives] in daily life, e.g. eat, sleep, dream, sex, play, work for food, fight, and other daily activities?

The significant differences between the higher apes are the finer acts of wisdom, morality,
This brain region [the prefrontal cortex] of human beings has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behavior, personality expression, decision making, moderating social behavior, and moderating certain aspects of speech and language.
It's not clear what "wisdom" or " morality" are supposed to indicate.
What is wisdom? Forsight? A mechanical ability?
You are not clear what is "wisdom" or " morality"?
Do we have to drop to such a lower level of philosophy?
These terms should be norms for the average person doing philosophy.

These are from Wiki;
  • Wisdom, sapience, or sagacity is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense and insight.[1] Wisdom is associated with attributes such as unbiased judgment, compassion, experiential self-knowledge, self-transcendence and non-attachment,[2] and virtues such as ethics and benevolence.

    Morality (from Latin: moralitas, lit. 'manner, character, proper behavior') is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper.[1]
    Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal.[2] Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness".
Do you have any dispute with the above?
Apes discriminate between undeserved aggression from a larger ape and beating for a reason of normal hierarchy. They give sympathy only to those aggressed upon improperly. And yet, this could be discribed merely as a condtioned response or evolved behaviour. If it is only "behavior" perhaps so too is all movement and the tag "moral" is a fantasy.
Behaviors that are directly and solely driven by instincts or evolved behavior are not considered 'wisdom.'

The instinct to eat, fuck, breathe, sleep, and other instincts are not wisdom.

Wisdom is the application of knowledge via the use of the prefrontal cortex, i.e.
in planning complex cognitive behavior, personality expression, decision making, moderating social behavior, and moderating certain aspects of speech and language.
  • Example; The extra consideration [using the prefrontal cortex] to eat food, to cook in such a such manner that are safe and nutritious would be wisdom.
    It is the same with other human behaviors directed to be good that are not directly instinctual.
A picture emerges linking inanimate "behaviour" of stones and "dispersion of energy" or basic matter to human movements what is it exactly that is specifically human? The ability to delude ourselves by naming movement morality? Or, is movement too a deluded concept?

Speech may allow for abilities mere growling or tweeting doesn't but what in it are we endevouring to increase and why? And what does a view about what is more human or deserving to be ramped up stand on? Many opinions exsist about what to favour and intensify.
It is dumb to state 'morality is equated to movement.'
That is from your rhetoric.
I have not asserted that at all.

Note the definition of 'morality' above.
If you are still not sure, I suggest you do more research on 'what is the Philosophy of Morality and Ethics."
Why is the so-called "knowing" movement better than the "instinct" movement? If the "knowing" is human, maybe we should want less humanness. Humanness sounds anxious, painful, full of doubt and a heavy load to carry.

Just because instinctual judgements, or concious "knowing", makes us believe or really prefer one behavior to another, as do apes and even crows, why should that be encouraged? It may simply be condtioned response or an order from our particular past.

Why are you obsessed with altering the brain? To make obidient drones? Who decides which "knowing" movements are "wise?" What is the standard by which a "knowing" is said to be better than some other knowing?
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