TRUMP AND IRAN

[henry quirk]

veg selfie

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Yep

[gaffo]

I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

Because Obama made the deal.

the last 3 yrs of Trump rule is about removing Obama legacy - for good or bad.

for Trumps ego's sake.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.

see above.

Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?

The deal was not great, but good enough. its aim was to "Buy time" - and figure out a better deal late (10 yrs hense)................but since the deal is now dead, those 10 yrs of buying time of under the bridge and now no time for us to deal with sadly.

What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

to buy time, for a better deal later.

now of course all future deals are off the table.

thanks Trump.

[henry quirk]

I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

Because Obama made the deal.

the last 3 yrs of Trump rule is about removing Obama legacy - for good or bad.

for Trumps ego's sake.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.

see above.

Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?

The deal was not great, but good enough. its aim was to "Buy time" - and figure out a better deal late (10 yrs hense)................but since the deal is now dead, those 10 yrs of buying time of under the bridge and now no time for us to deal with sadly.

What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

to buy time, for a better deal later.

now of course all future deals are off the table.

thanks Trump.

Obama and his bunch were sold crap and Obama and his bunch, in turn, sold the same crap to voters.

There was never 'ten years of buying time'; there was only ten years of weak oversight, ten years of covert atomics development, ten years of potential threat turning into actual threat.

It was a bad deal.

Now: everyone's cards are on the table, plain for everyone to see.

[gaffo]

I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

Because Obama made the deal.

the last 3 yrs of Trump rule is about removing Obama legacy - for good or bad.

for Trumps ego's sake.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.

see above.

Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?

The deal was not great, but good enough. its aim was to "Buy time" - and figure out a better deal late (10 yrs hense)................but since the deal is now dead, those 10 yrs of buying time of under the bridge and now no time for us to deal with sadly.

What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

to buy time, for a better deal later.

now of course all future deals are off the table.

thanks Trump.

Obama and his bunch were sold crap and Obama and his bunch, in turn, sold the same crap to voters.

There was never 'ten years of buying time'; there was only ten years of weak oversight, ten years of covert atomics development, ten years of potential threat turning into actual threat.

It was a bad deal.

Now: everyone's cards are on the table, plain for everyone to see.

dissagree, it was a lesser deal, now we a the worse option, no deal

deal with that Sir.

we are worse off now than before, and yes a think a bad deal is better than no deal.

now we have no options. unless you want to draft your sons into the mother of all Iraqnams against the worlds 10th military power (4 times or more so than Iraqnam) - and so stay there 4 time longer (occupy Iran for 80 yrs!).

lol, wake up bubba. the day of america being the world's policeman ended with iraqnam.

[gaffo]

*Defanging a potential global threat

Iran is only a regional threat, which we gave to them Iraq, due to our ignorance of regional=social reality of shia vs sunni, and removing Saddam.

I'm sure the Saudis are happy about us giving Iraq to Iran.

lol.

and thus we have ISIS and the Yemen civil war (which the are on the wrong side of - since the Hoothis (shia) make up 3/4 of Yemeni - why are we on the loosing side/lost side (oh sauli oid - my bad) we forgot both Veinam and Iraq on this one.

- need we loose Bahrian too?????? (probably)

[gaffo]

Remains to be seen how it'll play out. At the very least: everything is on the table now.

I've known several Iranians, and in fact, was out two nights ago having dinner with one of my closest Iranian (he prefers "Persian") friends. Those that I have met have been lovely people...urbane, cultured, smart, generous, hospitable, and civilized in a very refined sense of that word...So I can't help but have some faith in the possibility of normal Iranians (not the Islamic loonies burning flags and marching in the streets, the real, normal Iranians) finding their way to a better life.

What stands between them and the life they deserve, at present, is the regime that Obama administration was trusting. The fox was indeed in charge of the proverbial henhouse, there.

That deal had to end, for the good of common Iranians, as well as for the world.

I've known - including a former girlfriend - several iranians since the 1990's. they do prefer the label "Persian" - due to a since of national greviance/inforiority IMO - a call to past glory). they remember Mosideck's fate too BTW - even though it is now 60 yrs ago, they have not forgotten it and they blaime america for his fate - rightly or wrongly.

[gaffo]

''..a potention global threat'' rather than an actual global threat (the US).

You're right: we're a menace.

New Zealand ought to invade us.

It doesn't tend to invade countries, but it did tell the US to shove its nuclear submarines up its arse

???????

I value both learning and history, and if you are willing would love to learn more about this madam.

[gaffo]

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

China of course, its just now starting. you blind?

You one of the ostriches "sun never sets upon the Brit......no i mean American Empire"

you one of the head in sanders?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

no, sadlyt it will be up the China to be the hope in the future.

[henry quirk]

Because Obama made the deal.

the last 3 yrs of Trump rule is about removing Obama legacy - for good or bad.

for Trumps ego's sake.




see above.




The deal was not great, but good enough. its aim was to "Buy time" - and figure out a better deal late (10 yrs hense)................but since the deal is now dead, those 10 yrs of buying time of under the bridge and now no time for us to deal with sadly.




to buy time, for a better deal later.

now of course all future deals are off the table.

thanks Trump.

Obama and his bunch were sold crap and Obama and his bunch, in turn, sold the same crap to voters.

There was never 'ten years of buying time'; there was only ten years of weak oversight, ten years of covert atomics development, ten years of potential threat turning into actual threat.

It was a bad deal.

Now: everyone's cards are on the table, plain for everyone to see.

dissagree, it was a lesser deal, now we a the worse option, no deal

deal with that Sir.

we are worse off now than before, and yes a think a bad deal is better than no deal.

now we have no options. unless you want to draft your sons into the mother of all Iraqnams against the worlds 10th military power (4 times or more so than Iraqnam) - and so stay there 4 time longer (occupy Iran for 80 yrs!).

lol, wake up bubba. the day of america being the world's policeman ended with iraqnam.

I disagree.

[henry quirk]

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

China of course, its just now starting. you blind?

You one of the ostriches "sun never sets upon the Brit......no i mean American Empire"

you one of the head in sanders?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

no, sadlyt it will be up the China to be the hope in the future.

I disagree.

[gaffo]

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

China of course, its just now starting. you blind?

You one of the ostriches "sun never sets upon the Brit......no i mean American Empire"

you one of the head in sanders?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

no, sadlyt it will be up the China to be the hope in the future.

I disagree.

ok, hows the the air down there?

any coal?

lol

[henry quirk]

China of course, its just now starting. you blind?

You one of the ostriches "sun never sets upon the Brit......no i mean American Empire"

you one of the head in sanders?




no, sadlyt it will be up the China to be the hope in the future.

I disagree.

ok, hows the the air down there?

any coal?

lol

China had its shot: as a nation, it's headin' down.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You're right: we're a menace.

New Zealand ought to invade us.

It doesn't tend to invade countries, but it did tell the US to shove its nuclear submarines up its arse

???????

I value both learning and history, and if you are willing would love to learn more about this madam.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-13/ ... es/7731644

[Walker]

lol, wake up bubba. the day of america being the world's policeman ended with iraqnam.

Letting the rest of the world police Persia was part of Trump's platform.

Trump is an apologist for the United States.
Obama apologized for the United States.

*

Why Trump was completely right to kill the Iran deal
https://nypost.com/2018/05/08/why-trump ... iran-deal/

“As Trump noted, the accord left Iran free to develop nukes within a decade, even as Washington unfroze billions in Iranian assets and lifted sanctions that had left the regime gasping. And it let Tehran keep developing ever-more-deadly and longer-range missiles.

“More, it encouraged Iran’s inflaming of conflicts across the region and expanding its influence at the expense of US allies.”

- Editorial board
NY Post

You trying to pull a fast one, gaffo? I mean, a fantasy climate a hundred years hence causes panic, but a sanctioned ten year plan for nukes in the hands of those who vow death to America is a good deal for the USofA? I think not.