Hold up Henry; what's a libertarian?

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:06 am What's wrong with being anti-American?
the democrat party proclaims their hatred of America as founded everyday

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A libertarian is most usually a brain washed poor and oppressed person that does not realise that he or she is being massively exploited by rich people who have all the power and use the concept to provide the rich with socialism, and the poor with private enterprise.
A libertarian follows an ideology that would see child labour, no working rights, sexual and racial discrimination and no safety standards in the work place.
After all is said and done you knew the risks when you took the job, and if you don't like it you can fuck off and find another job.
I have found that often the libertarian is in such a shit job that they use the idea as a way to justify their lack of success. Such self immolation is common among the god thinks i deserve it brigade which often comes along with the ideology.
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Impenitent wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:21 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:06 am What's wrong with being anti-American?
the democrat party proclaims their hatred of America as founded everyday

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What does that have to do with me?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:39 am
Impenitent wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:21 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:06 am What's wrong with being anti-American?
the democrat party proclaims their hatred of America as founded everyday

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What does that have to do with me?
haters of America are not limited to non-American citizens

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Impenitent wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:11 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:39 am
Impenitent wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:21 pm

the democrat party proclaims their hatred of America as founded everyday

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What does that have to do with me?
haters of America are not limited to non-American citizens

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That's good to hear.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:26 pm A libertarian is most usually a brain washed poor and oppressed person that does not realise that he or she is being massively exploited by rich people who have all the power and use the concept to provide the rich with socialism, and the poor with private enterprise.
A libertarian follows an ideology that would see child labour, no working rights, sexual and racial discrimination and no safety standards in the work place.
After all is said and done you knew the risks when you took the job, and if you don't like it you can fuck off and find another job.
I have found that often the libertarian is in such a shit job that they use the idea as a way to justify their lack of success. Such self immolation is common among the god thinks i deserve it brigade which often comes along with the ideology.
unremarkable, inaccurate assessments from an unremarkable boy (who ass-bangs his ma's rottin' carcass).
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Immanuel Can wrote: ...

Trust me, if we do, it's not going to come out well, statistically or factually. Secular regimes killed over 100 million people in the last century alone. No religious regime of any kind, nor all of them together, have ever come up to more than a tiny fraction of that (with half of that fraction, at least, to Islam).
Not this old saw again. Let's have some rationale shall we.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Death_tol ... ristianity

Of course one could say that pretty much no one was killed for atheism or secularism but if we are going to say that then the above link holds so apparently quite a few were killed by Christians.
However, there is no such thing as a "Christian country." Countries are not "Christian"; only individuals can be. When somebody speaks of a "Christian country," it's a secularist, not a Christian; and what they usually are meaning is just "not Muslim," or "not Buddhist," or "not Hindu" in terms of their broad social norms. They're saying that America, or the UK perhaps, have historically been influenced by Christian moral norms and social patterns -- not that the people in the country are Christians, and not that their actions and policies are for Christian reasons anymore -- if they ever were. So it really says nothing about how many people in the country actually even believe in God, let alone how many are genuinely Christian.
Ah! The "they weren't really christians" argument. How convenient. :lol:
However, Atheist countries tend to be very explicit about the ideology driving their actions. Marx said that "the critique of religion is the first of all critiques" in the Marxist ideological plan. And they single out religious people for the first wave of persecution, re-education or elimination. The second wave gets the intellectuals and landowners.
Does your 'God' condone lying? You'd better hope so as nowhere did Marx advocate the actions you ascribe.

Still, always funny to listen to an avowed Christian making the "but they killed loads more than we did" argument. So much for Jesus's message then. But then again does not the Christians book have something about a big slaughter at the end? Armageddon I think they call it, where apparently the Christians and the Muslims will join together under the second coming of this Jesus and slaughter the rest of us. So let's say this happens in 2050, there'll be about 10 billion of us and 6 billion will be theist godbotherers so at a low end 2-3 billion dead in the name of theism. Not a bad tally. :lol:
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gaffo wrote:...
so be mindful-informed of history when you cast your stone sir
See any Brits here missing themselves off their list of mass-murderers?
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henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:35 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:26 pm A libertarian is most usually a brain washed poor and oppressed person that does not realise that he or she is being massively exploited by rich people who have all the power and use the concept to provide the rich with socialism, and the poor with private enterprise.
A libertarian follows an ideology that would see child labour, no working rights, sexual and racial discrimination and no safety standards in the work place.
After all is said and done you knew the risks when you took the job, and if you don't like it you can fuck off and find another job.
I have found that often the libertarian is in such a shit job that they use the idea as a way to justify their lack of success. Such self immolation is common among the god thinks i deserve it brigade which often comes along with the ideology.
unremarkable, inaccurate assessments from an unremarkable boy (who ass-bangs his ma's rottin' carcass).
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:57 am
henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:35 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:26 pm A libertarian is most usually a brain washed poor and oppressed person that does not realise that he or she is being massively exploited by rich people who have all the power and use the concept to provide the rich with socialism, and the poor with private enterprise.
A libertarian follows an ideology that would see child labour, no working rights, sexual and racial discrimination and no safety standards in the work place.
After all is said and done you knew the risks when you took the job, and if you don't like it you can fuck off and find another job.
I have found that often the libertarian is in such a shit job that they use the idea as a way to justify their lack of success. Such self immolation is common among the god thinks i deserve it brigade which often comes along with the ideology.
unremarkable, inaccurate assessments from an unremarkable boy (who ass-bangs his ma's rottin' carcass).
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The trouble for libertarians is they can't define once and for all who is to be in their tribe. Henry will need some Muslim or Marxist one day to help him with no quid pro quo.
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Belinda wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:24 pm The trouble for libertarians is they can't define once and for all who is to be in their tribe. Henry will need some Muslim or Marxist one day to help him with no quid pro quo.
As far as I'm concerned, everyone is in my tribe cuz, deep down, everyone is a natural rights libertarian, even if they think or feel otherwise.
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Belinda wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:24 pm The trouble for libertarians is they can't define once and for all who is to be in their tribe. Henry will need some Muslim or Marxist one day to help him with no quid pro quo.
Who needs a "tribe"? What you need is to live well with other people: why must they be defined as a faction? That's Marxist-think.

Ironically, groupthink undermines itself through inter-sectionalism. If everybody is part of several tribal identities, then every individual ends up at a unique "intersection," and there are only unique individuals left.
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Impenitent wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:21 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:06 am What's wrong with being anti-American?
the democrat party proclaims their hatred of America as founded everyday

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Democrats uphold the spirit of 76. Whilst the Repugs are monarchists in all but name demanding obedience.
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henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:31 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:24 pm The trouble for libertarians is they can't define once and for all who is to be in their tribe. Henry will need some Muslim or Marxist one day to help him with no quid pro quo.
As far as I'm concerned, everyone is in my tribe cuz, deep down, everyone is a natural rights libertarian, even if they think or feel otherwise.
Your heart is good. Perhaps you are too optimistic about human nature. Most people don't observe the great universalist ethic "everyone is in my tribe".
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