Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:02 am
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:52 am
You are engaging in bigotry against an entire group of people based only on their shared ethnicity, many of whom have done nothing to you and what's worse is that you are trying to spread your bigotry to others here on the forum. That, is evil.
I have to say the above is a very stupid judgment and view.
You are free to say whatever you like but just because you BELIEVE some thing to be the case, that BELIEF does not make it the case.
I, for one, agree with the above quote. I see it as NOT a very stupid judgement and view at all, in relation to you. In fact I see the EXACT SAME thing, in relation to you.
Are you aware that you come across as TRYING TO spread your bigotry to others? And, the spreading of bigotry is a major cause of hatred that causes and creates wars, killing, and murders, et cetera which is what some might call EVIL?
That evil tendency that is obviously within you,and which you wholeheartedly state is true, might just be so clever, conniving, and deceitful that you are totally aware of how that evil works, and IS working within you. That evil tendency lurking in you might be showing itself, to us, but without you even seeing or noticing it.
To me, you are DOING the very thing you say you want to STOP.
By the way the person who you WERE having a discussion with before, in another thread, but who you have decided to quote here, and continue on here for some reason, LAST post, to me, seemed very reasonable and nothing like what you are TRYING TO portray here.
That post by them was;
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:34 amWell. Maybe you are right. I don't like violence, so if Islam is a violent ideology, then it sounds like it is best to discourage belief in it. Of course, I have never been in a situation where preserving my life depended upon doing violence, either. If I were ever to find myself in such a situation--where I had to either fight back or die--I don't know if I would remain nonviolent. So it's difficult for me to judge the beliefs of others harshly who do turn to violence (if it is because they have been pushed to an existential limit where they must fight or die). I don't know if that is the case with everyone in the ME who is using violence or not. I do know that right now many people in the ME are living in horrible times. Many of them (even women and children) are indeed facing existential threats and those existential threats can maybe be tied to the 2003 invasion of Iraq by my country, the United States. Therefore I find it very difficult to judge the beliefs of people in the ME (most of whom practice Islamic faith) harshly.
I hope you can understand my hesitation to judge the beliefs of others harshly in the aftermath of a great injustice done by leaders of my own country to those people.
To me this was a fair comment about one's self and of the country that they live in, and, that they also showed some sort of agreement with was, to me, fair also. They displayed far more agreement with you than I do, i might add.
For now, I would just like to KNOW, Why are you TRYING to ridicule that person, here in this thread?
Are you TRYING TO gain support here?
Are you TRYING TO gain this support, without any input from them? I would be surprised if you had informed them that you were moving this here.
Are you just TRYING TO gather more support to spread more of your bigotry?
Or is it some thing else that you are TRYING TO DO here?
Since I replied, in the other thread, to that person who you were having a discussion with, but since you have moved part of that discussion here, I will repeat what i said below now, with some added extras:
The word 'islam' literally means, or derives from the word, Peace.
The word 'muslim' closely relates to meaning follower.
So, a 'muslim' is just a person who follows Peace.
The ideology of the quran is Peace, and to be a follower of Peace.
This can be clearly seen within the quran, when read from a perspective.
The True intention behind the quran, and ALL religious texts, are the exact same, when read from a perspective.
Did you notice, veritas, that INTERPRETATION of the ideology of islam is DIFFERENT to YOUR INTERPRETATION?
I am pretty sure you did NOTICE THAT. Now, I am going to ask a question of which I do NOT want you to answer, because it is plainly obvious HOW you WILL respond and WHAT you WILL respond with. So, there is NO need for you to answer. This question is for the readers only:
WHO's INTERPRETATION IS RIGHT?
The answer to that question the readers can keep to themselves. Unless of course they say veritas INTERPRETATION IS RIGHT and they want to share that, then feel free to. I, for One, would certainly like to see that.
Now, absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer. So, what is seen and understood, within, and from, ANY thing, is solely depended upon the one looking at it, that is; thee observer.
What is relayed from that observer, the person, is depended upon on how they view things, and obviously from what they have thus seen. What a person sees is not necessarily the actual and real Truth of things. This is because of how they view things, and, how a person views things is dependent solely on past experiences. Unless a person has only had perfect past experiences, then obviously they will have non-perfect views, which then also obviously distort how they then see things.
What the ACTUAL True intention or ideology IS behind or within absolutely any writing can only be Truly KNOWN, obviously, by the one who wrote it. Or, if that one is not around anymore then that True intention can NEVER be known. The closest, however, to discovering the True intention/ideology of any writing is if EVERY one is in agreement on what the True intention or ideology is. Until then, no matter what any person proposes, it is just an assumption opinion, or personal subjective thought of what the True intention/ideology IS.
