Philosophy Now Forum

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:12 am

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:02 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:43 am

Trust me. You didn't miss much. It was more about men's fantasies of dying during sex. Personally, I am not keen on the process, but yeah, the end result won't bother me, I'm sure.

Really? Men fantasise about that? I suppose better that than fantasising about killing someone else.

Still, in the animal kingdom the males of many species die during or just after sex. They basically turn themselves into Kamakaze sperm bombs. So perhaps this is an instinctive throwback to an arachnoid form of consciousness?

That's actually something I never thought of. Very observant. Yeah, I'm guilty of it too. But more as a giggle than anything serious. Though, I can think of a lot worse ways to go than my heart giving out during an otherwise exciting experience. Maybe my brain would confuse my impending doom for the best time of my life? Who knows...

Also all the males who risk everything in order to mate, especially those with harem style arrangements. I remember a documentary where many thousands of winged insects (can't remember which) have this huge breeding frenzy that's so intense that many females are swamped to the point of crushing and at the end the field is lettered with male corpses; every male died.

A more unusual fate met the famous "exploding toads" where the males were noticed to be exploding messily some time after mating. Crows had found out that the toads' livers were not toxic so, while the toad boys are hopping on the good foot and doing the bad thing, the crows sneak down and steak the guys' livers. This apparently does not impact on the toads' performance, an effort that can only be described as "Chuck Norris". Afterwards, sadly, their lungs expand into the cavity left by the pilfered liver and the poor blighters explode. Another toad that will never get to meet his tadpoles and guide them in the ways of toadhood. Tragic.

Then there is that auto-asphyxiation thing I only learned about after Michael Hutchence's death. Talk about anhedonia - the guy was starring on stage in front of thousands of adoring fans, had access to the best drugs and whatever sex he fancied, a luxury homes, travel, the best recording studios - and none of that got him high enough, so he has to choke himself to ecstasy. My understanding is that he hit his head (or was it punched?) and afterwards he was never the same, tending towards recklessness and depression.

So sex and death for males can be pretty closely aligned on a number of levels.

It should be said that females in nature tend to outlive their uselessness after egg childbirth, so it's only a stay of execution. As you'd know, it's not rare for spider mothers to provide her own body to help her hungry newborn spiderlings on their way. Overall I think it's damn good to be a human being!

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:00 am

How good bad music and bad reasons sound when we are marching into battle against an enemy. ~ Nietzasche

Progressives are always marching against freedom. The progressive ideology is ignorant of how bad its music and reasons actually is.

Yada, yada, yada. You're really dead set on labels aren't you? So much for thinking!

Battle music can in fact be quite good contrary to what Nietzsche wrote. This is an original SS march the sound showing its age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQGWj1onaPI

Even Beethoven wrote some very famous marches for military band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRNwkdJQ3vo

Some of the Prussian marches are among the best. Only a dumb ass would say this is bad music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntqdy0Gm2zg

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:21 pm The religious mind accepts that it is the "wretched man as described by St. Paul. Accepting the human condition is the first step to transcending it. The progressive mind in contrast must blame something or someone else.

I agree we have to take personal responsibilty for our own mental health...Nick..we need to empower ourselves constantly by remembering we alone are responsible for everything that we really are, which is a free human being. We are NOT our job title, or our car, or house etc. And yet we tend to place too much importance on those things more than anything else. This phenomena is unnatural and an unecessary pressure for our spirit to bare resulting in increased mental health problems. We prefer to neglect how we really feel and put on a brave face in favor of keeping up with the latest trendings or for the fear of losing face in the light of forever having to keep up appearances else you are deemed not good enough.

If we refuse to explore the myriad of other alternative possibilities life presents to us we alone are responsible for restricting our freedom. We become lazy and just dig deeper and deeper grooves for ourselves in the form of personal comfort zones. We become prisoners without even realising it because the controlling few (ruling elite) do not want their citizens to wake up to their higher selves.

The constant obession with earning money may shut down any desire to explore alternative unconventional life choices. Capitalism is the political system blamed for the desire to make as much money as possible. I think money is one of the biggest problems human face, it is to blame, it's the biggest problem human have ever had to deal with. Capitalism is likened to a machine that traps people into a constant no way out cycle of working jobs they don't like so that they can buy things they don't need. And then not actually have time to live in the big dream house they have always wanted because they have to spend all hours of the day just to earn enough money to pay the massive riduclously high mortgage.

This necessity of material things does not exist in reality, and it's unnatural to live like this. We stress and then blame the system. We become hopelessly dependant on the system and are too weak to say no, to say enough is enough. The constant pressure to buy, buy, buy material things is a man-made construct that has led people to deny their freedom and to consider living in other ways is deemed as foolhardy. Even though many are escaping the matrix as we speak.

Basically, we are not living a natural life and is why so many young people today are depressed and commiting suicide. We need to take back personal control. Depression is a sign we are waking up and realising there is something very wrong with the way societies are living. What's worse is then we are led to believe that depression is a negative thing when it's not, and doctors who are supposed to help us then say..'' here you go just swallow these pills and you'll feel better soon, or other people will say something like, you'll soon snap out of it...don't worry.

It's like people are not allowed to feel their depression, or feelings, they are not allowed to work it out for themselves, rather we are given pills to supress our feelings, no one is allowed to have emotion... it's almost like it's become a stigma to be depressed. When in fact it's just the intelligence of consciousness informing us that something is wrong with our natural capacity to feel well, it tells us we are not living in sync with the rest of nature, and that we are out of our natural alighnment ... all for the love of money and materialism, which never brings us the security and happiness we believe it does anyway.

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DaM

We agree that for some reason a human being is not what it should be. It is easy to point out what the results of this condition are since there are many. From the point of view of philosophy rather than politics the question becomes why it is so.

Plato explains the problem of the human condition in his famous Chariot allegory. Yes I know it is politically incorrect to speak of these things and the young will be forced to hide in safe spaces to play with their coloring books. But for the sake of the minority willing to separate philosophy from politics, why not recall the Chariot allegory in spite of the growls of the great beast. ‘ll use this link as a guide

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles ... e-chariot/

In the Phaedrus, Plato (through his mouthpiece, Socrates) shares the allegory of the chariot to explain the tripartite nature of the human soul or psyche.
The chariot is pulled by two winged horses, one mortal and the other immortal.
The mortal horse is deformed and obstinate. Plato describes the horse as a “crooked lumbering animal, put together anyhow…of a dark color, with grey eyes and blood-red complexion; the mate of insolence and pride, shag-eared and deaf, hardly yielding to whip and spur.”
The immortal horse, on the other hand, is noble and game, “upright and cleanly made…his color is white, and his eyes dark; he is a lover of honor and modesty and temperance, and the follower of true glory; he needs no touch of the whip, but is guided by word and admonition only.”
In the driver’s seat is the charioteer, tasked with reining in these disparate steeds, guiding and harnessing them to propel the vehicle with strength and efficiency. The charioteer’s destination? The ridge of heaven, beyond which he may behold the Forms: essences of things like Beauty, Wisdom, Courage, Justice, Goodness — everlasting Truth and absolute Knowledge. These essences nourish the horses’ wings, keeping the chariot in flight.

From Plato’s perspective we are not one. We are three – the tripartite soul. So it isn’t a matter of choosing or denying one or the other. We have a higher and lower nature. Our higher nature isn’t the problem. Our problem is our lower nature represented by the dark horse described by Plato as “crooked lumbering animal, put together anyhow…of a dark color, with grey eyes and blood-red complexion; the mate of insolence and pride, shag-eared and deaf, hardly yielding to whip and spur.”

The charioteer has the unenviable task of trying to reconcile the opposing emotional impulses of the white and dark horses so as not to devolve
The dark horse does not see itself. It doesn’t “know thyself.” Naturally when things go wrong there is no alternative but to blame another. All attempts to know thyself are insulting so must be hated. The world must hate all attempts to recognize human being for what it is. Jesus and Socrates had to be killed for example. It is too frightening and uncomfortable to witness what has happened to our mortal horse and what it has become. It is far easier and egoistically satisfying to create scapegoats to blame. Creating scapegoats is a skill that progressive education has become very adept at.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:30 pm DaM

We agree that for some reason a human being is not what it should be. It is easy to point out what the results of this condition are since there are many. From the point of view of philosophy rather than politics the question becomes why it is so.

It is more political Nick because of this political correctness gone crazy palava.
We are constanly being (brainwashed) being told that (this is how we do it) by our governements. And for some bizarre reason, most of us, if not all of us agree to that by a consensus majority in most cases. We don't have to agree of course, and those that don't, are labled misfits.

But it's the misfits that are going to change the world, and the snowflakes that have not already topped themselves are the secret misfits working undercover in disguise behind the scenes, working hard and having the courage to rage against the machine, and say NO this is not how we do it...these are the strong minded ones that have the courage to turn on the enemy within. The ruling elite days are numbered, and soon that strangle hold will be loosened...else we all go down with the sinking ship together..and I don't think we really want that to happen if were honest. Until we all get our proper philosophical heads in gear we are just going to give our power to think for ourselves away to the polly parrots. Those idiots that believe they know what makes us tick when they don't.


The rest of your post I agree with Nick..good job.


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:03 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:30 pm DaM

We agree that for some reason a human being is not what it should be. It is easy to point out what the results of this condition are since there are many. From the point of view of philosophy rather than politics the question becomes why it is so.

It is more political Nick because of this political correctness gone crazy palava.
We are constanly being (brainwashed) being told that (this is how we do it) by our governements. And for some bizarre reason, most of us, if not all of us agree to that by a consensus majority in most cases. We don't have to agree of course, and those that don't, are labled misfits.

But it's the misfits that are going to change the world, and the snowflakes that have not already topped themselves are the secret misfits working undercover in disguise behind the scenes, working hard and having the courage to rage against the machine, and say NO this is not how we do it...these are the strong minded ones that have the courage to turn on the enemy within. The ruling elite days are numbered, and soon that strangle hold will be loosened...else we all go down with the sinking ship together..and I don't think we really want that to happen if were honest. Until we all get our proper philosophical heads in gear we are just going to give our power to think for ourselves away to the polly parrots. Those idiots that believe they know what makes us tick when they don't.


The rest of your post I agree with Nick..good job.


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As i see it, political correctness and the rest of what you described are effects, not causes. The cause is the fallen nature of the dark horse.

Actually, it is you two fanatical evangelists who are the controlled conformists, locked into an ancient theology and unable and unwilling to absorb new information. Worse, you are now also brainwashed by right wing media, even precisely apeing their language, eg. "snowflakes".

Trump is actually the ultimate insider - an insider of a club that sits atop the politicians, whom you two naively believe to control societies. No, politicians are not in control. Rather, politicians sold us out to Trump and his mates and in return they are allowed to control the little things. Until now, with a fox given free pickings of the henhouse.

You two have been suckered in completely, being the strictest of conformists to the culture promoted by neocon billionaires. That is, you two are perfect faith-driven drones for the conformist societies that Trump, the Kochs, Murdochs and the like are hoping to build - mindless and obedient, never questioning your leaders or your thoughts, fiercely defending the icons you have been brainwashed to worship.

The people the controllers hate are the intelligentisia - which is why they are always the first against the wall when fascism is unbounded by decency. Your presentation of the intelligentsia as conformists is typical Orwellian doublethink as benefits controlling billionaires and corporations who prosper when there is more faith than accountability.

Greta wrote

Actually, it is you two fanatical evangelists who are the controlled conformists, locked into an ancient theology and unable and unwilling to absorb new information.

What is this new information I missed and what have I conformed to? This is just emotional nonsense. Then Greta goes on to attack a scapegoat. Everything is the fault of Trump. This is nothing but an expression of emotional negativity. There is no logic in it.

Greta demonstrates a chief characteristic of the secular progressive tendency to create scapegoats. This characteristic is the inability to admit that they are part of the problem. Can you imagine for example a group of irate secular progressive feminists carrying signs and demanding this or that to admit that they are part of the problem? It would never happen. The secular progressive mind needs to create scapegoats to blame and battle. Without them they would have to begin to contemplate the problem of the human condition and they would stop being radical secular progressives. The experience of humility would negate negative emotional intensity. The secular mind needs scapegoats to battle in order to retain emotional intensity causing everyone to suffer. It is a goal of secular progressive education

I think most readers here will appreciate that the intelligentisia are always the first targets of fascism, such as the anti-intellectual, anti-science fascism that Nick promotes.

I note he was too busy foaming at the mouth above to deny his obvious conformism. There is not a single opinion he holds that differs from that of the Republican Party. Just another Fox News drone, and he talks about conformism.

It is clear that he and other evangelists will always approve of Comrade Trump, no matter how base and corrupt his transgressions. What they love about Trump is he brings the Apocalypse closer, and that is what they hunger for most of all. I think evangelists increasingly need to be called out for their sick desires, especially those in power.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:32 pm
As i see it, political correctness and the rest of what you described are effects, not causes. The cause is the fallen nature of the dark horse.

I agree Nick.


Can humpty dumpty be put back together again..of course he can, and we all lived happily ever-after, as all good fairy tales do. But what about in the land of the wicked witch of the west, where wolves in sheeps clothing lurk around every dark corner, it's maybe not such a happy ending for that fairy story..boo hoo..

Thanks for being clear, concise and impeccable with your words, I totally get you, well done.

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Greta wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 am I think most readers here will appreciate that the intelligentisia are always the first targets of fascism, such as the anti-intellectual, anti-science fascism that Nick promotes.

I note he was too busy foaming at the mouth above to deny his obvious conformism. There is not a single opinion he holds that differs from that of the Republican Party. Just another Fox News drone, and he talks about conformism.

It is clear that he and other evangelists will always approve of Comrade Trump, no matter how base and corrupt his transgressions. What they love about Trump is he brings the Apocalypse closer, and that is what they hunger for most of all. I think evangelists increasingly need to be called out for their sick desires, especially those in power.

Nonsense. You're much better than this.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:54 pm

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 am I think most readers here will appreciate that the intelligentisia are always the first targets of fascism, such as the anti-intellectual, anti-science fascism that Nick promotes.

I note he was too busy foaming at the mouth above to deny his obvious conformism. There is not a single opinion he holds that differs from that of the Republican Party. Just another Fox News drone, and he talks about conformism.

It is clear that he and other evangelists will always approve of Comrade Trump, no matter how base and corrupt his transgressions. What they love about Trump is he brings the Apocalypse closer, and that is what they hunger for most of all. I think evangelists increasingly need to be called out for their sick desires, especially those in power.

Nonsense. You're much better than this.

Perfectly reasonable post from Greta.

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:24 pm Actually, it is you two fanatical evangelists who are the controlled conformists, locked into an ancient theology and unable and unwilling to absorb new information.

Where did the Ancient Egyptians get their superior knowledge of architecture, art, physics, and medicine from?

Where did Nikola Tesla get his knowledge from?

What has happened to that knowledge and why are we not using it now?

Both the ancient egyptians and tesla knew how light can be harnessed and distributed freely and abundantly without it ever running out, they also understood how to harness wireless energy and produce light to light up the darkness of night ...even though there was no electricty in those days...or so we have been led to believe today.

The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.

You see there really is no new information just old rehashed information to look new.

There is no such thing as time consisting of new or old age... why you so dumb hoooman.



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Walker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:54 pm

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 am I think most readers here will appreciate that the intelligentisia are always the first targets of fascism, such as the anti-intellectual, anti-science fascism that Nick promotes.

I note he was too busy foaming at the mouth above to deny his obvious conformism. There is not a single opinion he holds that differs from that of the Republican Party. Just another Fox News drone, and he talks about conformism.

It is clear that he and other evangelists will always approve of Comrade Trump, no matter how base and corrupt his transgressions. What they love about Trump is he brings the Apocalypse closer, and that is what they hunger for most of all. I think evangelists increasingly need to be called out for their sick desires, especially those in power.

Nonsense. You're much better than this.

There are only two kinds of scholars; those who love ideas and those who hate them. ~ Emile Chartier

I always wondered why Jesus said the World must hate him. It is a very deep idea which is hard to understand. It doesn't seem logical. Why should the World hate the good? Over the years it has become clear that the World sustains itself by means of lies. Ideas of a certain quality must be scorned since they threaten the life of what the world has become. Naturally this is intolerable.

I'm one of those who appreciate the ancient ideas introduced into the world by those like Plato and Plotinus. They have an awakening content which must be rejected and since they threaten the ego of the dark horse they threaten imagined life itself. These ideas must be rejected violently and replaced with obsessions. Anything is better than seriously discussing the reality of the fallen human condition. That is why scapegoats are created.

I discuss these ideas which is why i must be hated. I rarely discuss politics since I am more concerned with revealing the reality of the human condition leading to the eventual reconciliation of science and the essence of religion. Yet Greta's violent rejection accuses me of being against science. Clearly this is idiotic since I support Einstein and Simone Weil who understood the natural reconciliation of facts and values.

The hatred of the great ideas concerning the relationship between the inner and outer man must be hated. It threatens the egoistic preconceptions resulting from the fallen human condition which threaten the dominance of the indoctrinated outer man.

But the great ideas cannot be allowed to be eliminated in the world by tribal emotionalism. It can cry "give us Barabbas" but there will always be a minority willing to transcend the self satisfying need to create scapegoats in order to defend the value of the Socratic axiom "Know Thyself." The Greta mind just represents a quality of violent denial that unfortunately has a dominant influence in the World. The more people see it for what it is, the better off everyone will be.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:24 pm Actually, it is you two fanatical evangelists who are the controlled conformists, locked into an ancient theology and unable and unwilling to absorb new information.

Where did the Ancient Egyptians get their superior knowledge of architecture, art, physics, and medicine from?

Where did Nikola Tesla get his knowledge from?

What has happened to that knowledge and why are we not using it now?

Both the ancient egyptians and tesla knew how light can be harnessed and distributed freely and abundantly without it ever running out, they also understood how to harness wireless energy and produce light to light up the darkness of night ...even though there was no electricty in those days...or so we have been led to believe today.

The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.

You see there really is no new information just old rehashed information to look new.

There is no such thing as time consisting of new or old age... why you so dumb hoooman.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 New International Version (NIV)
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

It is all the same stuff. The problem is remembering it.