Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue

[Belinda]

Walker wrote:

Start with the premise that people and nations interact because of the profit motive.

But why should I when I remember the French Revolution and the Russian revolution, and the international protests against Trump? Those are not from any notion of commercial profit. Quite the opposite. People need meaning besides bread.

[henry quirk]

"He must learn to allow space for the bargaining opponent to save face."

I disagree. Right now, at the beginning of his first 100 days, he has more steam in his boiler than he will throughout his (first) term. There's no profit for him in giving domestic or foreign opposition wiggle room.

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"Those are not from any notion of commercial profit. Quite the opposite."

No, the (organizing forces behind the) protestors aren't after a buck, but they are lookin' for a profit nonethless, that being the dissolution of the U.S.

[Arising_uk]

...That is the country that shed its finest young blood liberating itself from English commercial greed.

No it didn't, it was greed and profit that drove this 'liberation'.

[Walker]

Walker wrote:

Start with the premise that people and nations interact because of the profit motive.

But why should I when I remember the French Revolution and the Russian revolution, and the international protests against Trump? Those are not from any notion of commercial profit. Quite the opposite. People need meaning besides bread.

Madame, if you but pause for a moment and consider, there is profit for someone in all those activities.

Attempting to qualify the meaning of profit with commercial does not alter the more general meaning of profit as benefit.

For the fact is, every encounter is a profit or loss for one or both parties, be they commercial, charitable, personal, impersonal, corporate or international. The significance of the profit or loss ranges from very minor to earth shaking. The principle perpetually takes form whenever two or more are gathered.

[henry quirk]

You're right, A.

"If any greed is served let it be mine, not yours."

Works for me.

[Walker]

"He must learn to allow space for the bargaining opponent to save face."

I disagree. Right now, at the beginning of his first 100 days, he has more steam in his boiler than he will throughout his (first) term. There's no profit for him in giving domestic or foreign opposition wiggle room.

You may be right. I would not presume to second-guess Trump's efficiency. Not after what he has accomplished.

He appears to be quite balanced within the tantrum of hysteria trying to take hold.

[Arising_uk]

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What happened to democracy?
He has not consulted or even referenced Congress. Did you want a KIng in the USA?

Well to be slightly fair with respect to executive orders he's only doing what Obama, Bush and Clinton did as well.

[Arising_uk]

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In my opinion, Trump is making one crucial mistake in governing style.

He must learn to allow space for the bargaining opponent to save face. ...

Very unlikely, nothing in his language or business past hints that he thinks this way.

Steamrolling Mexico does nothing for the honor, and this will create bad blood if not staunched and assuaged. ...

Not least that in the long-run it will hurt your country if the world learns to do without the American market and maybe even the petro-dollar bourse.

Out of good faith for anyone learning the ropes, President Trump is a quick study, and quite accomplished in assessing reality. Seemingly insecure in the need for perpetual affirmation, however this could be a stylistic device of endearment, purely personality like the spontaneous mudras during speech time.

Again extremely unlikely as it's pretty clear that this is his personality.

[Walker]

That’s the perception because his public face has always been the brand that exists independent of the person. This can be understood in terms of John Wayne, who was not a cowboy, but was actually an urbane sophisticate.

As an experienced man about town, he's proving to be the calm eye in the center of Hurricane Hysteria.

What's pretty clear about his personality is the adoration of his children for their father.

Now, for the first time in his life, President Trump represents another brand.

President Trump is just doing what he knows how to do. He is doing this sincerely, and he is doing this in good faith. He knows where he is and he knows why he is there, and all his actions are to fulfill his purpose. He’s not there to get rich and famous. He’s not there to build upon a stepping stone.

He sees himself as the savior of the American system that gave him opportunity.

He understands relationship and purpose through the employer/employee dynamic. He understands the purpose of a good employee. He just publically fired a government employee who became a bad employee with a willful act of insubordination. This is how his value system works.

He realizes that he himself is now an employee of this other brand, the USA, as its chief representative with appropriate powers. And, he recognizes that his negotiating opponents represent their side of the table, which is their country. Each side strives for the best deal … for their side.

This is why, when the representatives of one side give away the whole store with very little to show for it in return, the world views the suckers with great contempt, as it should.

The best deal is when both sides benefit because both sides are happy and are less likely to start talking war. However, President Trump is not pretending to represent We Are The World. And people are just shocked about that. Shocked.

Any politician who says they represent We Are The World, usually with soaring rhetoric, is a Utopian poseur of hubris, although the rhythms of the soaring song may thrill those eager to believe in the vague references to hope.

Look for a change in hairstyle. Lately he’s just had time to slick it back a bit between executive signatures that keep things in order.

[Hobbes' Choice]

"He must learn to allow space for the bargaining opponent to save face."

I disagree. Right now, at the beginning of his first 100 days, he has more steam in his boiler than he will throughout his (first) term. There's no profit for him in giving domestic or foreign opposition wiggle room.

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"Those are not from any notion of commercial profit. Quite the opposite."

No, the (organizing forces behind the) protestors aren't after a buck, but they are lookin' for a profit nonethless, that being the dissolution of the U.S.

How do you except to have your views respected when you keep saying stuff which is so obviously bullshit?

[Hobbes' Choice]

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What happened to democracy?
He has not consulted or even referenced Congress. Did you want a KIng in the USA?

Well to be slightly fair with respect to executive orders he's only doing what Obama, Bush and Clinton did as well.

Compared to the others, his use of the EO is abusive.

[Arising_uk]

Compared to the others, his use of the EO is abusive.

How so? He's just doing what the others did and at present is far behind in number.

[henry quirk]

"How do you except to have your views respected when you keep saying stuff which is so obviously bullshit"

I don't expect a goddamned thing from any one, at any time (except, mebbe, to be left alone).

[Hobbes' Choice]

Compared to the others, his use of the EO is abusive.

How so? He's just doing what the others did and at present is far behind in number.

Nope.
Obama never made an illegal EO. As a lawyer he had respect for constitutional law - a thing that Trump is ignorant of.

[Hobbes' Choice]

"How do you except to have your views respected when you keep saying stuff which is so obviously bullshit"

I don't expect a goddamned thing from any one, at any time (except, mebbe, to be left alone).

Run along, then. GO play on the Freeway.