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bahman wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: I take it you think that my view of subconscious is the same as this "The ability to guess what could be right or wrong to do which is based on all our experiences in our lives."; Wisdom.?

No. I don't think like that. I already gave the definition of wisdom.

Oh for fucks sake; that is YOUR definition of wisdom.

Hobbes' Choice wrote: The difference is between the container and the contained.

I ask for difference between wisdom and intuition given the definitions, mine wisdom, yours intuition.

I think you are a lost cause.

Belinda wrote:"Women's intuition" is not entirely a mistaken notion.
Even old superstitions and outmoded rationales (such as the divine right of kings) are forms of reason. Women have to try to live without the social power , the reasoned power the moneyed power, and the upshot is that women have tended to develop their intuition to compensate for this lack.

I disagree with Hobbes that focused reasoning and unfocused reasoning are mutually exclusive. Reason should however exert sufficient restraint so that one is wary of beware of confusing intuition with such as wishful thinking or physical fatigue.

As for how to develop intuition the best use for prayer possibly is the development of intuition, but only if the prayer is devoid of ego.

I was never into prayer so don't understand the ego qualifier, which is not meant as an endorsement of prayer. From what I know of it, prayer is a kind of focused attention, or contemplation. Is there more to prayer meant in the ego-absence, such as invoking a deity? If not, then we can infer that intuition develops from focused attention. That may be true even if there is more to prayer. Do you mean that prayer develops intuition if one does not focus on personal benefit?

If intuition advanced women when opportunity was less for women, does intuition have an inverse effect? Do intuitive women still trend towards the irrationality of intuition now that opportunity is more for women? Blatant irrational decisions such as illegally hiding incriminating correspondence suggests, yes, as do the actions that prompted the non-transparency.

Walker wrote:

Belinda wrote:"Women's intuition" is not entirely a mistaken notion.
Even old superstitions and outmoded rationales (such as the divine right of kings) are forms of reason. Women have to try to live without the social power , the reasoned power the moneyed power, and the upshot is that women have tended to develop their intuition to compensate for this lack.

I disagree with Hobbes that focused reasoning and unfocused reasoning are mutually exclusive. Reason should however exert sufficient restraint so that one is wary of beware of confusing intuition with such as wishful thinking or physical fatigue.

As for how to develop intuition the best use for prayer possibly is the development of intuition, but only if the prayer is devoid of ego.

I was never into prayer so don't understand the ego qualifier, which is not meant as an endorsement of prayer. From what I know of it, prayer is a kind of focused attention, or contemplation. Is there more to prayer meant in the ego-absence, such as invoking a deity? If not, then we can infer that intuition develops from focused attention. That may be true even if there is more to prayer. Do you mean that prayer develops intuition if one does not focus on personal benefit?

If intuition advanced women when opportunity was less for women, does intuition have an inverse effect? Do intuitive women still trend towards the irrationality of intuition now that opportunity is more for women? Blatant irrational decisions such as illegally hiding incriminating correspondence suggests, yes, as do the actions that prompted the non-transparency.

I thought of focused attention and reasoning as much the same activity. Reasoning and paying focused attention don't work when we are at our wits end. At such times if we do a private ritual that is aimed at abandoning focused effort and getting in touch with unfocused reasoning , intuition, we might find a good way to proceed.

True, private and group praying is often a superstitious attempt to make God do something or other. I don't recommend it because superstition doesn't work. I do mean that prayer develops intuition if one does not focus on specific desires.

I guess, and it's only hypothetical, that women who engage in what was traditionally the men's aggressively focused behaviour will tend to be less able to develop intuitional skills unless they also do special techniques for developing intuition.

Belinda wrote:I guess, and it's only hypothetical, that women who engage in what was traditionally the men's aggressively focused behaviour will tend to be less able to develop intuitional skills unless they also do special techniques for developing intuition.

I haven’t seen that in women. I think the challenge for women is simply to discover an effective use for intuition as times and customs change. Effective is defined by comparing results to intent.

A crooked politician who amasses vast personal wealth by selling political influence is likely quite intuitive in their manipulation of people to pull off the scam. They just have a crooked intent.

What gets developed is awareness of intuition. The skill is feeling when to assert the courage to act on the awareness. You know, like Trump.

Walker wrote:

What gets developed is awareness of intuition. The skill is feeling when to assert the courage to act on the awareness. You know, like Trump.

I never said that intuitional decisions are wiser or kinder .

Intuitional ability is I think often inhibited by a culture of belief in the superiority of linear reasoning.

Intuitions although faster are no more likely to be correct than linear reasoning.

The only experience I have of formally cultivating my intuition is dowsing. I understand that machines now do the work that dowsers once did.

Walker wrote:

Belinda wrote:I guess, and it's only hypothetical, that women who engage in what was traditionally the men's aggressively focused behaviour will tend to be less able to develop intuitional skills unless they also do special techniques for developing intuition.

I haven’t seen that in women. I think the challenge for women is simply to discover an effective use for intuition as times and customs change. Effective is defined by comparing results to intent.

A crooked politician who amasses vast personal wealth by selling political influence is likely quite intuitive in their manipulation of people to pull off the scam. They just have a crooked intent.

What gets developed is awareness of intuition. The skill is feeling when to assert the courage to act on the awareness. You know, like Trump.

You mean Trump the man-baby. The one that complains that American has been taken away, yet he is a representative of the class that took it away. He complains that American is not great yet he is exactly that class of person that made it shit, except for himself, and his kind.
You mean Trump the man with no vision, no policies, no money he had for himself. the bankrupt, the cheat, the liar, the man that has survived on government handouts and subsidies, whilst millions of Americans have paid for him to live in luxury?
You mean that Trump. The reality TV star turned into s demi-god?
The warmongering, racist, misogynist xenophobe? That guy?
A man with what? "Intuition"

bahman wrote:There are four properties for mind: (1) Instinct, (2) Intuition, (3) Logic and (4) Wisdom.

What about emotions, desires, dispositions, concepts, etc. etc. Mind is far more wide-ranging than intuition, logic and wisdom. "Wisdom" is a judgment call, too, so I wouldn't even include that, and I wouldn't say that instinct is a mental property.