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Ansiktsburk wrote:The youtube link is still working. Watched half of it now, She's quite a "milf", but apart from that, It's all Wikipedia stuff. I'm going to look it through, it's well done and amusing. But if you want to go to another level, get a copy of "the free society and it's enemies", by Popper and read(it all, but most importantly) the critique of Marx by Popper. There more things fall into place. Read it, and then ponder upon Brexit, globalization, cheap chinese workers... Things start to make sense.

Edit: Finished it now, better towards the end, some good discussions around his ideas. Definitely see-worthy. But Popper takes on Marx in a more ingenious way.

By the way, I would say that I have seen something that could be described as a good world according to Marx, and it also was a very good time and place to live in - Social Democrat Central Scandinavia in the late 70's and early 80's. Things have, as in most western countries deteriorated since then, the world is a much more complicated place now. But if the world can get into that state, we might have found the nirvana he was looking for.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

Dubious wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Can us Americans watch this somehow? If so, how, please? Thank you!

This should be the beginning of it. re Marx. No doubt the rest will follow. For how long available is another question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6AqMU-nggM

Thanks, Dubious, I'll check it out.

marjoram_blues wrote:
Thanks for feedback. And I learned a new word 'milf' !...

SpheresOfBalance wrote: It kind of angered me in the beginning where she blamed Marx for communism, as practiced by varying governments, for it's failings, but she later clarified that those governments would place him in the category of undesirable. Because I've always heard, not that I've read his works so that I'd know, that no government has of yet, actually followed his prescription, such that he really can't be blamed for the twisted versions of his works, those governments actually employed. Which is what I was trying to get to the bottom of by watching the show, but running time did not allow for such a conclusion to my mind, based I believe, upon what they had no time to cover, not necessarily to do with truth or bias.

Dubious wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: It kind of angered me in the beginning where she blamed Marx for communism, as practiced by varying governments, for it's failings, but she later clarified that those governments would place him in the category of undesirable. Because I've always heard, not that I've read his works so that I'd know, that no government has of yet, actually followed his prescription, such that he really can't be blamed for the twisted versions of his works, those governments actually employed. Which is what I was trying to get to the bottom of by watching the show, but running time did not allow for such a conclusion to my mind, based I believe, upon what they had no time to cover, not necessarily to do with truth or bias.

Nietzsche didn't fare any better. These kind of one hour programs are not sufficient to cover the complexities of a type which doesn't resolve itself to the merely academic. The best they can do is cover the long outline of their lives with merely a hint of what it was all about. In spite of these limitations a lot of these BBC documentaries are still worth watching as short preambles to the real thing.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Are the others also on youtube?

marjoram_blues wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:The youtube link is still working. Watched half of it now, She's quite a "milf", but apart from that, It's all Wikipedia stuff. I'm going to look it through, it's well done and amusing. But if you want to go to another level, get a copy of "the free society and it's enemies", by Popper and read(it all, but most importantly) the critique of Marx by Popper. There more things fall into place. Read it, and then ponder upon Brexit, globalization, cheap chinese workers... Things start to make sense.

Edit: Finished it now, better towards the end, some good discussions around his ideas. Definitely see-worthy. But Popper takes on Marx in a more ingenious way.

By the way, I would say that I have seen something that could be described as a good world according to Marx, and it also was a very good time and place to live in - Social Democrat Central Scandinavia in the late 70's and early 80's. Things have, as in most western countries deteriorated since then, the world is a much more complicated place now. But if the world can get into that state, we might have found the nirvana he was looking for.

Thanks for feedback. And I learned a new word 'milf' ! So, what was it about Social Democrat Central Scandinavia in the 70 -80's that particularly reflected a good Marxian world?

Bettany Hughes is quick and easy on the eye and ear - will perhaps take a look at Popper some time, when I've time...
If you want to find out more about BH and any series/work she has done - of course, see wiki or her own website. Quite astonishing, really