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Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:16 pm Re: Beauty and Perfection have the same definition.



Sometimes they do, and folks who notice often marvel.

Note that the perfection of technique attracts a beautiful result, thus attracts beauty.

there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

I'm not sure that's true. Could you provide an example?

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:41 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:16 pm Re: Beauty and Perfection have the same definition.



Sometimes they do, and folks who notice often marvel.

Note that the perfection of technique attracts a beautiful result, thus attracts beauty.

there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

I'm not sure that's true. Could you provide an example?

split that atom perfectly...

-Imp

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:41 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:16 pm Re: Beauty and Perfection have the same definition.



Sometimes they do, and folks who notice often marvel.

Note that the perfection of technique attracts a beautiful result, thus attracts beauty.

there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

I'm not sure that's true. Could you provide an example?

Well, if one were to use perfect technique to produce a bust of Nigel Farage, for example. But, then again, I suppose some would see beauty in the skill involved, in which case, you are right, it wouldn't be true.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:51 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:41 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm
there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

I'm not sure that's true. Could you provide an example?

split that atom perfectly...

-Imp

They used it for an ugly purpose. You could also bash someone over the head with that beautiful bust.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm
No, it creates a beautiful result; or at least it does in your above example, it does not attract one, and there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

An imperfect technique can attract a perfectly ugly result.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:06 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm
No, it creates a beautiful result; or at least it does in your above example, it does not attract one, and there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

An imperfect technique can attract a perfectly ugly result.

Why do you use the word, "attract"?

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:51 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:41 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 pm
there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.

I'm not sure that's true. Could you provide an example?

split that atom perfectly...

-Imp

Too much waste for a perfect explosion.
https://thebulletin.org/2015/02/the-wei ... butterfly/

The uranium in the Hiroshima bomb was about 80 percent uranium 235. One metric ton of natural uranium typically contains only 7 kilograms of uranium 235. Of the 64 kilograms of uranium in the bomb, less than one kilogram underwent fission, and the entire energy of the explosion came from just over half a gram of matter that was converted to energy. That is about the weight of a butterfly.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:23 pm Why do you use the word, "attract"?

Invite also works.

Colonel Deming is a national hero in Japan.
He showed them their future, after the bombs.

Kinda pretty, especially in contrast.

Imperfection often adds to beauty. The little gap in the teeth of a woman; the slight variance in the black of an Ad Reinhardt painting; the slant rhyme in an Emily Dickinson poem; the off rhythm cadence of Ogden Nash.

Truth may be beauty, as Keats discovered looking at a Grecian urn, but the perfect straight line sometimes needs a little twist to express itself.

Japan rose from the ashes because of Deming, and because of their cultural proclivity towards perfectionism ... applies to industry.

Perfectionism, the striving for perfection that is eventually effortless, is evident in the martial arts and in ceremonies of perfection, such as Tea. The pleasure is in the perfection, because the perfection is beautiful.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:11 am Imperfection often adds to beauty. The little gap in the teeth of a woman; the slight variance in the black of an Ad Reinhardt painting; the slant rhyme in an Emily Dickinson poem; the off rhythm cadence of Ogden Nash.

Truth may be beauty, as Keats discovered looking at a Grecian urn, but the perfect straight line sometimes needs a little twist to express itself.

Without a doubt. From this, it's obvious that the twist is required to make perfection. (Lucky for most of us.) Someone should tell AI to stop with the airbrushing.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:28 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:23 pm Why do you use the word, "attract"?

Invite also works.

But neither are appropriate.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:51 pm

split that atom perfectly...

-Imp

Pff...Fred Dibnah would have finished the job...with perfection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKPApAsJbj4

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:49 am

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:28 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:23 pm Why do you use the word, "attract"?

Invite also works.

But neither are appropriate.

One of the elements in the compounded condition of beauty, caused by perfection, is the presence of an instrument to re-cognize the beauty. The instrument may be sensitive enough to generate tears of emotion in the vessel of consciousness, or the instrument may have been dulled to the point of registering only pleasure and discomfort.

Therefore, when perfection is offered, beauty can be attracted, or invited, as a result if the conditions are ripe, and the elements that comprise a condition of beauty are present, a crucial element of the condition being the instrument that perceives beauty. Perfection may be an offering to someone snoring, or to a dog with no capacity for re-cognizing perfection.

It’s like the falling down tree in the forest. One of the elements required for sound to exist, as humans define sound, is an ear. Otherwise, only dissipating shock waves are generated by the displacements.