Artworks Not Yet Conceived

[Pluto]

Yes, that happens. Rendering a work as best you can do ultimately benefits the system perhaps. If you're anti-system you might not make work which corresponds with the aesthetic of the system. In Flood's painting there is no skill or talent needed to execute such a work, that's good, it's democratic, you too can paint on your garage door, 'no parking'. But of course if you attempted to recreate the painting it would most likely be inferior, as you'd be copying something.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Yes, that happens. Rendering a work as best you can do ultimately benefits the system perhaps. If you're anti-system you might not make work which corresponds with the aesthetic of the system. In Flood's painting there is no skill or talent needed to execute such a work, that's good, it's democratic, you too can paint on your garage door, 'no parking'. But of course if you attempted to recreate the painting it would most likely be inferior, as you'd be copying something.

The system as it stands validates the least well executed as a matter of course.
It seems that the less an artist gets his hands dirty the better.

Art without craft is like sex without love.

[Harbal]

Bullshit. It's just an excuse to be lazy.

You'll have to excuse him, Pluto, he's got the grumps on because he's got nobody to talk to about his hero.

[Pluto]

What does it even mean, art without craft?

An artist scrunches up into a nicely shaped ball a piece of plain A4 paper. It is a simple sculpture.

[Hobbes' Choice]

What does it even mean, art without craft?

An artist scrunches up into a nicely shaped ball a piece of plain A4 paper. It is a simple sculpture.

Yeh but it is shit. To call that art is an insult to the history and tradition of sculpture.

By your rubric this dog is making art.

[Dalek Prime]

What does it even mean, art without craft?

An artist scrunches up into a nicely shaped ball a piece of plain A4 paper. It is a simple sculpture.

Yeh but it is shit. To call that art is an insult to the history and tradition of sculpture.

By your rubric this dog is making art.

I grew up with Vizslas.

Anyways, we were taking care of a Pekingese, and I still recall with amazement that half it's turd was orange, and the other half green. Art can come in many forms, it would seem, even inadvertently.

[Pluto]

Art is coming from humans not dogs.

[Dalek Prime]

Art is coming from humans not dogs.

I was half-joking, actually. But now that you've got me going, I'll say this; art is in the eye of the beholder. And if we don't know where it came from, does it only become "real' art" because we can verify a human factor? I say no. Though I'll grant only humans can 'intend' to create art. Obviously a dog cannot.

[Harbal]

Art is coming from humans not dogs.

It might not be coming from them but it seems to be going to them.

[Dalek Prime]

Art is coming from humans not dogs.

It might not be coming from them but it seems to be going to them.

Funny, I was just watching an interview with a Canadian federal art bureaucrat, trying to explain why using public funds to purchase three stripes on a canvass for millions of dollars was valid. Trust me when I say that the natural 'art' of the aforementioned Pekingese was vastly more interesting, more so for its accidental creation.

[Dalek Prime]

Bullshit. It's just an excuse to be lazy.

You'll have to excuse him, Pluto, he's got the grumps on because he's got nobody to talk to about his hero.

Lol! Okay, I have to ask. Which 'Jeremy' are we referring to here? I missed the opening reference.

[Harbal]

Lol! Okay, I have to ask. Which 'Jeremy' are we referring to here? I missed the opening reference.

Jeremy Corbyn, aka. JC, like the other messiah.

[Dalek Prime]

Lol! Okay, I have to ask. Which 'Jeremy' are we referring to here? I missed the opening reference.

Jeremy Corbyn, aka. JC, like the other messiah.

Funny how the mind works. Oddly enough, Stephen Sakur's image was in my head, probably because I always transpose his name to Jeremy, for some obscure reason.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Art is coming from humans not dogs.

I was half-joking, actually. But now that you've got me going, I'll say this; art is in the eye of the beholder. And if we don't know where it came from, does it only become "real' art" because we can verify a human factor? I say no. Though I'll grant only humans can 'intend' to create art. Obviously a dog cannot.

Art is not everything. If there are no limits then the word 'art' has no meaning at all.
No one, not even you, thinks a screwed up piece of paper is art.

And it does not matter who does it. Some people might thing that if Andy Warhol takes a shit on a table, that makes it art: I do not.

For me that author is dead. An artwork has to be valued anonymously. It has to stand on its own merit.

[Dalek Prime]

Art is coming from humans not dogs.

I was half-joking, actually. But now that you've got me going, I'll say this; art is in the eye of the beholder. And if we don't know where it came from, does it only become "real' art" because we can verify a human factor? I say no. Though I'll grant only humans can 'intend' to create art. Obviously a dog cannot.

Art is not everything. If there are no limits then the word 'art' has no meaning at all.
No one, not even you, thinks a screwed up piece of paper is art.

And it does not matter who does it. Some people might thing that if Andy Warhol takes a shit on a table, that makes it art: I do not.

For me that author is dead. An artwork has to be valued anonymously. It has to stand on its own merit.

Agreed. (Oh, don't look so surprised.)