Philosophy Now Forum

bobevenson wrote:I'm sorry, but none of you people are qualified to discuss the subject. However, I will attempt to clarify something for you. When I refer to an item having intrinsic market value, I'm talking about the price that is agreed upon between buyer and seller. This refers to actual products. Stocks, bonds, currency and other financial documents have no intrinsic value since they merely represent things that do.

The word intrinsic in this instance is not only wrong, but redundant. Run along now. Find a dictionary.

If you are going to tax a person on the value of their property using how are you going to assess it?
And how often? Or are you just talking about a sales tax, but are too confused to say so?

bobevenson wrote:

mickthinks wrote:American education is a failure in respect of what aims and targets?

Jesus Christ, you must live in an Augsburg cave while commenting on the American educational system!

The fact that you seem unable to read is certainly an indictment of the education you received, Bob. I expect you went to a private school.

I haven't commented on the American education system. I've asked you to say something about the aims you think a successful education system should have. Without aims and targets, there can be no such thing as "failure".

Bob, if you believe you are not reponsible for others, you are not fit to govern at all. Responsibility to others is the very definition of governing.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Brit Dems wrote:

bobevenson wrote:I'm sorry, but none of you people are qualified to discuss the subject. However, I will attempt to clarify something for you. When I refer to an item having intrinsic market value, I'm talking about the price that is agreed upon between buyer and seller. This refers to actual products. Stocks, bonds, currency and other financial documents have no intrinsic value since they merely represent things that do.

Is it not true that the market itself has intrinsic value even before any goods are bought or sold?

Think carefully.

Answer intelligently.

You cannot buy the market; therefore you cannot give it a value.

People can buy a market and move it to a different location, true/false?

bobevenson wrote:First the federal government needs to abolish the Department of Education, and then force state and local governments to do the same thing, selling their schools and universities, and firing all administrative and teaching personnel. This is not to say the government should not ensure that children receive an adequate education, in the same way it ensures that children receive adequate food, shelter and clothing. But just like food, shelter and clothing, education should be the full and total responsibility of their parents or guardians.

One cannot govern effectively with control of education. True/False

mickthinks wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

mickthinks wrote:American education is a failure in respect of what aims and targets?

Jesus Christ, you must live in an Augsburg cave while commenting on the American educational system!

I've asked you to say something about the aims you think a successful education system should have. Without aims and targets, there can be no such thing as "failure".

The failure of public education is that the diplomas given out are invalid since the graduates are not able to read, write and do math well enough to get or hold on to a job. It doesn't matter what I think a successful educational system should have, it's what creates a profitable business that keeps customers coming back and attracting new customers through advertising and word-of-mouth.

Brit Dems wrote:

bobevenson wrote:First the federal government needs to abolish the Department of Education, and then force state and local governments to do the same thing, selling their schools and universities, and firing all administrative and teaching personnel. This is not to say the government should not ensure that children receive an adequate education, in the same way it ensures that children receive adequate food, shelter and clothing. But just like food, shelter and clothing, education should be the full and total responsibility of their parents or guardians.

One cannot govern effectively with control of education. True/False

Absolute bullshit!

Dalek Prime wrote:Bob, if you believe you are not reponsible for others, you are not fit to govern at all. Responsibility to others is the very definition of governing.

The only proper function of government is social integration, like a traffic cop keeping people from running into each other. Anything else you think is the responsibility of government is total bullshit!

And you think education is not directed at social integration? Thats arguably it's main focus. So why should government get out of education, then?

Arising_uk wrote:Can't see anything there that says the govt ordered or even has the power to order a foreign manufacturer to recall its products?

Large black and red fonts now! You certainly are losing the plot Bill.

First of all, as you well know, but keep forgetting, I use bold 125 point type for everything to increase clarity compared to the default standard of this forum. In that post, I used red to indicate a quotation from another source in answer to your ignorant question about product recalls that you obviously have never heard of and know nothing about. If you think that Japanese company is going to bankrupt itself over a "request" from the U.S. government, you have little or no understanding of realpolitik!

Dalek Prime wrote:And you think education is not directed at social integration? Thats arguably it's main focus. So why should government get out of education, then?

I've already explained to you why government should get out of education. I have no patience for people like you who can't seem to remember anything said a couple of posts earlier.

But then you said the only business of government is social integration, which is what education does. I'm sure you have your patience, locked up in the cellar. Go find it and give it a dusting off. ,,,^..^,,,~

bobevenson wrote:... If you think that Japanese company is going to bankrupt itself over a "request" from the U.S. government, you have little or no understanding of realpolitik![/b][/size]

What request?

You have little understanding of economics if you think a company will not recall when they find that their product is killing their customers.

(You do know that you can adjust browser font size? If so then you are just Bill Wiltrack reborn. I'm going with that.)

Yeah, let's have a dictatorship. Problem solved.