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Perceiving exists. wrote: I might not change the world, but i hope i gave you something positive.
No one can tell me, it doesn't mean anything
Some peoples wisdom can be hard to digest. Some peoples wisdom can give you heartburn. Perceiving exists. wrote: atheists dont exist, nor do theists.
they all are (stubborn) agnostics, till they die.
get over it
and i thank you, for this story.thedoc wrote:This reminds me of a story, The barberPerceiving exists. wrote: atheists dont exist, nor do theists.
they all are (stubborn) agnostics, till they die.
get over it
Perceiving exists. wrote:
atheists dont exist, nor do theists.
they all are (stubborn) agnostics, till they die.
get over it
dont listen to others, listen to yourself.Blaggard wrote:Perceiving exists. wrote:
atheists dont exist, nor do theists.
they all are (stubborn) agnostics, till they die.
get over it
Well since I have spent most of my life basically claiming I am agnostic only to be told I am really an atheist by atheists and a stubborn agnostic by theists, I can't argue with that. Atheists do exist though.
thedoc wrote:Perceiving exists. wrote: atheists dont exist, nor do theists.
they all are (stubborn) agnostics, till they die.
get over it
This reminds me of a story,
The Barber
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."
"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.
"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine loving a God who would allow all of these things."
The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and un-kept. The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."
"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"
"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."
"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."
"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens is, people don't go to Him."
Oh don't worry I wont, any more than I listen to militant atheists.Perceiving exists. wrote: dont listen to others, listen to yourself.
listen to others, but dont ignore yourself.
dont listen to me.
dont worry about me worryingBlaggard wrote:Oh don't worry I wont, any more than I listen to militant atheists.
Well we are on the same page so don't ask me I don't know, but apparently not knowing means you're an atheist by the power of some magic I did not understand then and don't now. I gave up on the more militant atheists years ago as I did the more militant theists, it's two sides of the same coin, they are both full of shit. And anyone who quotes Queen lyrics is cool by me.Perceiving exists. wrote:dont worry about me worryingBlaggard wrote:Oh don't worry I wont, any more than I listen to militant atheists.
but why do those 'hardcore' atheist deny the possibility of any God in any possible form?
and why do those 'hardcore' theist deny the possibility of any absence of any sentient God?
doubt no doubt, uncertainties and certainties, illusions and life, understanding and knowing?
tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine loving a God who would allow all of these things.
Life's not a puppet show, its for you to make the best of it.
Maybe its a puppet show, and maybe God doesnt exist?
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to
me
Mama, ooo - (any way the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all
Ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters nothing really matters to me
Anyway the wind blows
Dont get me wrong, because life actually is, i logically side more with an theistic view, being an agnostic deist by means of the first cause, what ever that meansBlaggard wrote:Well we are on the same page so don't ask me I don't know, but apparently not knowing means you're an atheist by the power of some magic I did not understand then and don't now. I gave up on the more militant atheists years ago as I did the more militant theists, it's two sides of the same coin, they are both full of shit. And anyone who quotes Queen lyrics is cool by me.
Don't get me wrong I think I side more logically with the average atheist, but not if he or she is going to tell me what I think.
Agnostic atheist, it's probably why we relate.Perceiving exists. wrote:Dont get me wrong, because life actually is, i logically side more with an theistic view, being an agnostic deist by means of the first cause, what ever that meansBlaggard wrote:Well we are on the same page so don't ask me I don't know, but apparently not knowing means you're an atheist by the power of some magic I did not understand then and don't now. I gave up on the more militant atheists years ago as I did the more militant theists, it's two sides of the same coin, they are both full of shit. And anyone who quotes Queen lyrics is cool by me.
Don't get me wrong I think I side more logically with the average atheist, but not if he or she is going to tell me what I think.
and yeah both sides of the coin are full of shit, because you never can see both sides at the same time, nor what is in between ^^
good to see we dont disagree, on the more important partBlaggard wrote:Agnostic atheist, it's probably why we relate.Perceiving exists. wrote:Dont get me wrong, because life actually is, i logically side more with an theistic view, being an agnostic deist by means of the first cause, what ever that meansBlaggard wrote:Well we are on the same page so don't ask me I don't know, but apparently not knowing means you're an atheist by the power of some magic I did not understand then and don't now. I gave up on the more militant atheists years ago as I did the more militant theists, it's two sides of the same coin, they are both full of shit. And anyone who quotes Queen lyrics is cool by me.
Don't get me wrong I think I side more logically with the average atheist, but not if he or she is going to tell me what I think.
and yeah both sides of the coin are full of shit, because you never can see both sides at the same time, nor what is in between ^^
we wont know, till we die indeed, or till we know for that fact, what we are discussing, what ever that means.Blaggard wrote: Well I am sure you can see the logical flaws in this story without me pointing them out, I have a fair sized beard and unkempt hair at this very time, not lying genuinely do, and I do believe barbers exist.
theres no point pointing out thats not the point of the story if one doesnt want to see the point.thedoc wrote:That was not the point of the story, the man in the street probably also believed that barbers existed, along with untrimmed beards and unkempt hair.Blaggard wrote: Well I am sure you can see the logical flaws in this story without me pointing them out, I have a fair sized beard and unkempt hair at this very time, not lying genuinely do, and I do believe barbers exist.
its of course ok, if you disagree, or if you can replenish where i fail to to do justice to the completeness. ill not only will always be open to those criticizing my opinions, i actually like it, for it makes me think tooMoral of story: the barber is a poor businessman for making a comment that might offend a customer.thedoc wrote:This reminds me of a story,
The Barber
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."